Mors 201 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 Holland doing nothing at the trade deadline? Playoff rivals getting tougher at "unreasonable" asking prices? In other news, water wet, sky blue. 2 LeftWinger and Uncle Danny reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 Not that I ever wanted Franzen moved but I sure hope he lights it up big time in the playoffs and if we meet the Sharks again it's going to be another coin flip to choose the winner. Franzen better light it up. He should have all the energy in the world. He's been on vacation since last May. 2 Detroit \# 1 Fan and esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SidAbelsSon 50 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 Ya, I am not discounting the fact that they won 23 in a row or that they are flirting with 1st overall, but, if it weren't for that win streak (which had games within it they had no business winning) this team would be out of the playoffs. The road woes, the power(less)play and the inconsistent forwards are gonna be the death of this team and just because of a magical season 4 years ago, they will get a pass. Holland missed an opportunity today to send his team a message. Play or you are not wanted here. He will spout off about the draft and the UFA day, when he does nothing again, slappies will talk about the past 20 years and how he is the best in the business because a scout (not Holland himself) found Datsyuk playing in Siberia or somewhere. If they don't win the Cup, I hope Lids hangs em up and Stuart leaves, because he aint getting Suter then we will see what is broken or not. That explains it. You want Stuart and Lids to leave so the team gets worse. Thanks for being a fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 Way to miss the point entirely. esteef Your "point" was ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 Your "point" was ridiculous. Lack of confidence in weak wins is ridiculous? Good to know. esteef 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MabusIncarnate 5,344 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 So we are down Lidstrom, Quincey, and Ericsson and Kenny decides it's time to unload Commodore for a pick as a deadline move. I really don't understand why this deal was made today instead of the offseason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 "Laugh it up Fuzzball" Nashville is only 6 point behind the Wings and coming strong. Wings cannot win on the road and their last 4-5 home games have been yawners that they barely won and lost the last two of...They may not be 6th, but they will be 3rd in the central. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 Lack of confidence in weak wins is ridiculous? Good to know. esteef The fact remains the Wings pulled something off that no team has done in the history of the NHL. Yes, weak. They have been money at home other than recently and it gets borderline strange to go after that when you could easily discuss the weaknesses of the team in much more rational ways, and with much better targets. One thing I find annoying about people who talk negatively. They like to talk NEGATIVELY. 1 Frozen-Man reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 Helene St. James @freepwingsMore #RedWings Babcock: The price for other pieces wasn't what we were willing to pay, or teams weren't willing to trade them to us. Oh, right... teams might not be willing to trade with us to make us better. What a concept. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged Wheel 45 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 Absolutely incredible. Holland did nothing and gets paid to do it. Reacquiring Quincey and getting rid of Commodore? That's called "backpeddling". Nice job, Kenny. It'll be up to the season ticket holders to decide if his services (or lack of) are needed any longer. He's either a genius or has become one of the more inept, complacent GM's in the league. My guess is the latter and it's becoming more and more obvious since Bowman left. 1 GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 The fact remains the Wings pulled something off that no team has done in the history of the NHL. Yes, weak. They have been money at home other than recently and it gets borderline strange to go after that when you could easily discuss the weaknesses of the team in much more rational ways, and with much better targets. One thing I find annoying about people who talk negatively. They like to talk NEGATIVELY. Haha! Oh I get it, I'm not arguing good enough for you. So what? esteef 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 That explains it. You want Stuart and Lids to leave so the team gets worse. Thanks for being a fan. So is LIds gonna play forever? No... Stuart already sais he is having home-sick issues. So that being said, if they don't win it now, it won't happen for a long time from now because Holland is not gonna pay Parise or Suter so they will get worse anyhow. Besides the longer Holland keeps re-signing the same old guys, they will get worse in that regard...Thanks for wearing the Rose Colored Glasses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 Haha! Oh I get it, I'm not arguing good enough for you. So what? esteef No, you don't get it. So is LIds gonna play forever? No... Stuart already sais he is having home-sick issues. So that being said, if they don't win it now, it won't happen for a long time from now because Holland is not gonna pay Parise or Suter so they will get worse anyhow. Besides the longer Holland keeps re-signing the same old guys, they will get worse in that regard...Thanks for wearing the Rose Colored Glasses. As much as I am disappointed in the fact not much was done other than landing Quincey, how much would you realistically expect Holland to overpay for these assets that don't really address the team? NYR offered Columbus a huge deal for Nash, an overpaid franchise player. If Columbus declined that offer, what do you think Holland would have to pony up for it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 So we are down Lidstrom, Quincey, and Ericsson and Kenny decides it's time to unload Commodore for a pick as a deadline move. I really don't understand why this deal was made today instead of the offseason. ZOMG FAIR WEATHER FAN!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 No, you don't get it. Or you don't. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryMalredo 2 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 So is LIds gonna play forever? No... Stuart already sais he is having home-sick issues. So that being said, if they don't win it now, it won't happen for a long time from now because Holland is not gonna pay Parise or Suter so they will get worse anyhow. Besides the longer Holland keeps re-signing the same old guys, they will get worse in that regard...Thanks for wearing the Rose Colored Glasses. Who dealt at the deadline would've made the Wings significantly better and able to "win it now" as you say? Jeff Carter was the ONLY top six forward dealt leading up to the trade deadline. Yeah, it might of been nice if the Wings could've added some more forward depth, but there the Wings would've had to overpay for marginal players. Did you really want to see the Wings trade an elite prospect so the Wings would've beat Nashville to have Paul Gausted playing in the bottom six for a few months? The Wings improved their defense with Quincey and other teams made depth improvements too, but not a single contender made deal thats could make them significantly better, that would counteract running into a hot team, a lucky team, or a team that is just plain playing better. 1 Uncle Danny reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 This is all F.Michael's fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Crazy 201 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 So Ken Holland stands pat.....again. Says asking prices are too high and nobody wants to deal with Detroit. Is that because we have nobody that anybody else wants or? Who did we think that Ken Holland was going to get with nothing to offer? Ken Holland couldn't dump Hudler for picks when he tried last season. Z,Pavel,and Flip are not going to be moved so what does that leave us to sell? The 3rd line has been the only line thats playing so they are safe. Cleary, Eaves, and the entire 4th line in a package would not have got us a top six sniper. This team has to be re-tooled after July 1st. Ken Holland will need to make some tough choices then. Players need to go (Cleary, Hudler, Eaves,Homer) and some brought in or brought up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Well... this seems to be the theme of the day. Yawn. Edited February 27, 2012 by Majsheppard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 So Ken Holland stands pat.....again. Says asking prices are too high and nobody wants to deal with Detroit. Is that because we have nobody that anybody else wants or? Who did we think that Ken Holland was going to get with nothing to offer? Ken Holland couldn't dump Hudler for picks when he tried last season. Z,Pavel,and Flip are not going to be moved so what does that leave us to sell? The 3rd line has been the only line thats playing so they are safe. Cleary, Eaves, and the entire 4th line in a package would not have got us a top six sniper. This team has to be re-tooled after July 1st. Ken Holland will need to make some tough choices then. Players need to go (Cleary, Hudler, Eaves,Homer) and some brought in or brought up. ...and Ken Holland agrees with you, until July 1st comes around and then the end of summer, then he states that "We kicked the tires, made some inquiries but in the end there wasn't any asset out there that would fill our needs and we really like the re-siging of Bertuzzi, Hudler and Quincey. Patrick (Eaves) is at 100% so we also like him as our off-season acquisition..." 1 esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 I DISCOUNT YOUR POINT WHILE ACTUALLY MISSING YOUR POINT ALL TOGETHER!!!! OH YEAH WELL YOUR POINT IS WRONG BECAUSE I AM GOING TO BLOW A SMALL COMMENT OUT OF PROPORTION AND RUN WITH THAT INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING YOUR VIEW POINT!!! OH YEAH?! WELL I CAN STRAW MAN FALLACY TOO! YOUR MOTHER WOULD LIKE MY POINT!!! This thread has been closed due to emotions being higher than people's ability to read, interpret, and properly respond to simple posts. 1 seeinred reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 No, because I know Holland always trades his 1st round pick plus it would be a later pick, but yes it is considering Quincey is all he added. Quincey is not Stuart. Quincey is just barely an improvement above Kindl/Ericsson. There were players out there that were MORE WORTH overpaying for. Quincey is depth. Problem is, Holland will not spend his money on new blood come July either. He will keep his team and give them all raises...Parise and Suter will not be here in July. I would bet the house on it. How is it an overpayment? A first rounder for a top four DMan who pks and pps and is an RFA. Sounds like a good deal. Then add to the fact he knows almost every player and knows this system. 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 How is it an overpayment? A first rounder for a top four DMan who pks and pps and is an RFA. Sounds like a good deal. Then add to the fact he knows almost every player and knows this system. Well hell, we should have given Steve 2 1st rounders for all that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 what it comes down to is: Q: in the near-term, did the Canucks and Sharks get better at the deadline? A: yes they did. 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted February 27, 2012 Wings not that desperate + prices were too high, what part of that is so hard to understand? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites