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#21 GMRwings1983

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:24 PM

Wow, phenomenal list. That looks like a ton of research.


That one made me chuckle a bit, not one of the best signings after all. :lol:


That was the same day Colorado signed Kariya and Selanne.

Holland had to make a move of some kind.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:29 PM

Not gonna lie though, it'd be quite awesome to have Patrick Sharp. If anything maybe he wouldn't have speared Lidstrom in the nuts.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:43 PM

Wow so Holland gave up:

Petr Sykora, Patrick Sharp, Alexei Ponikarovsky, Mike Green, Thomas Fleischmann, Mike Comrie, and Mike Knuble for ...

Jamie Macoun, Doug Brown, Stefan Liv, and Robert Lang???

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I'm pretty sure if you go through any GM's cupboard you're going to find they missed out on a chance to sign 5 or 7 stars over the years. It doesn't really indicate anything since there's no telling we would have drafted those guys anyway.

Wow, phenomenal list. That looks like a ton of research.


That one made me chuckle a bit, not one of the best signings after all. :lol:


Could have been, had his knee (?) not blown out.

At any rate, it's fun to look at the "What ifs?" Imagine if Modano had been healthy, for instance.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:28 PM

That was the same day Colorado signed Kariya and Selanne.

Holland had to make a move of some kind.

No salary cap, those were the days. :cool:

Edited by Barrie, 29 February 2012 - 11:10 AM.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:47 AM

Wow, phenomenal list. That looks like a ton of research.


That one made me chuckle a bit, not one of the best signings after all. :lol:


Hindsight. Did YOU know that he was going to blow his knee out?

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:48 AM

It's true only in the faintest sense. Holland traded away picks that other teams chose to spend on those players. How the picks were used was entirely in the hands of the those teams.



Yeah, its not like when we drafted Keith Primeau and left Jagr on the table...
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 05:29 AM

Miller was claimed in early November of 2009. The string of injuries had not yet begun, Franzen excepted.

For the record, Flip and JWilly were also hurt shortly before Miller was claimed.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:09 AM

Yeah, its not like when we drafted Keith Primeau and left Jagr on the table...

Primeau lead to Shanahan, so it worked out.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:20 AM

Primeau lead to Shanahan, so it worked out.

And for the record...Shanahan >>>>>> Jagr >> Primeau

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:27 AM

And for the record...Shanahan >>>>>> Jagr >> Primeau

No doubt!
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:28 AM

I wonder what Boston wanted from us for Bourque. If I remember correctly, it was the Wings, Flyers, and Avs in on that.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

Wow so Holland gave up:

Petr Sykora, Patrick Sharp, Alexei Ponikarovsky, Mike Green, Thomas Fleischmann, Mike Comrie, and Mike Knuble for ...

Jamie Macoun, Doug Brown, Stefan Liv, and Robert Lang???

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That's not the Petr Sykora you are thinking it is.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:11 PM

Yeah, its not like when we drafted Keith Primeau and left Jagr on the table...


Holland wasn't even assistant general manager at that stage.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:12 PM

I noticed the trend of his reluctance to trade roster players since the lockout. I only saw one i think (Jason Williams, 2007).

Loyalty is one of the reasons why this organization is so respected. However, it doesn't ALWAYS work out best for us....

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:27 PM

Hindsight. Did YOU know that he was going to blow his knee out?

No that was my point, after all it didn't turn out. Just the fact that he was on the Red Wings was odd.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 04:52 PM

Awesome list :thumbup: Your effort get's :clap:
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 05:25 PM

A big thanks for the OP here and his efforts, this probably took a lot of time and it was a really good read that brought back some fuzzy memories of a lot of players I haven't thought about in a long time.

I think the most painful on that list is that we could have landed Sharp if they did indeed take him with that pick. Hes one of my current favotite non-Wings in the NHL. The Trade Deadline isn't what it used to be before the salary cap was put into effect, and i'm getting to the point where i'm not sure i'll be excited for next year's deadline. The past three years have been dull and I think it's a trend that will continue unfortunately.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 05:41 PM

No salary cap, those were the days. :cool:



IIRC, they both signed for like $1m in order to play together, causing many internet jokes about them also picking out drapes. I don't think the salary cap was the issue here.

EDIT: Before I get flamed, I was simply pointing out that the salary cap had no bearing on getting those two players on the same team that season. It had to do with two friends wanting to play together and hopefully win a cup. Didn't quite work out in the end, though.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:43 PM

IIRC, they both signed for like $1m in order to play together, causing many internet jokes about them also picking out drapes. I don't think the salary cap was the issue here.

EDIT: Before I get flamed, I was simply pointing out that the salary cap had no bearing on getting those two players on the same team that season. It had to do with two friends wanting to play together and hopefully win a cup. Didn't quite work out in the end, though.

Yea I remember the Kariya-Selanne bargain deals. My comment was towards the Hatcher contract.

Holland wasn't even assistant general manager at that stage.

And Lindros was all the rage then. Primeau was considered the next Lindros.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:54 PM

Hindsight. Did YOU know that he was going to blow his knee out?

Exactly! Hatcher was a beast before his injury, then he got bought out the next year...these same people ***** about Mike Modano signing as well!



anyhow, to the OP, great list but you left out one thing he does EVERY year at the deadline and July 1st.

"Kicked the tires and had some interests."

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