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Justin Abdelkader: A fighter's courage, but no fighter's skill


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#41 F.Michael

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 09:41 AM

Dallas Drake was a straight up head hunter. :D

Yup - anyone else remember this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f7C8BsYb7U

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 10:08 AM

Abdelkader just needs to stop fighting and play hockey. I commend him for being willing to drop the gloves but until he learns to be an effective fighter or just stop. All he is doing is giving the opposition momentum by getting himself beat badly. Perfect example is the San Jose game the other week. The Wings were in control of the game and he goes and gets destroyed by Ryan Clowe. San Jose gets momentum and goes out and scores a mere 30 seconds later. There was no reason for Abdelkader to take that fight. Nobody got cheap shotted. Nothing could be gained by him for taking that fight. Hes much more effective shutting down players on the ice than trying to knock them out.

Him fighting does nothing to "keep the flies off". Nobody in the league is going to think twice about running Datsyuk, Lidstrom, or Z because big bad Abdelkader is going to come after them. If anything it encourages it.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 10:21 AM

Abdelkader just needs to stop fighting and play hockey. I commend him for being willing to drop the gloves but until he learns to be an effective fighter or just stop. All he is doing is giving the opposition momentum by getting himself beat badly. Perfect example is the San Jose game the other week. The Wings were in control of the game and he goes and gets destroyed by Ryan Clowe. San Jose gets momentum and goes out and scores a mere 30 seconds later. There was no reason for Abdelkader to take that fight. Nobody got cheap shotted. Nothing could be gained by him for taking that fight. Hes much more effective shutting down players on the ice than trying to knock them out.

Him fighting does nothing to "keep the flies off". Nobody in the league is going to think twice about running Datsyuk, Lidstrom, or Z because big bad Abdelkader is going to come after them. If anything it encourages it.

Agreed.

I admire Abby's effort - he's just very average at best at fighting , and sooner, or later he's gonna get his bell rung...Better off just trying to play, and fight only in rare cases...If anything Holland could help out by signing a guy, or two this summer who might be more proficient in this area.

Well - I lied - I made my comment :lol:

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 10:40 AM

Yup - anyone else remember this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f7C8BsYb7U


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:13 PM

Abdelkader just needs to stop fighting and play hockey. I commend him for being willing to drop the gloves but until he learns to be an effective fighter or just stop. All he is doing is giving the opposition momentum by getting himself beat badly. Perfect example is the San Jose game the other week. The Wings were in control of the game and he goes and gets destroyed by Ryan Clowe. San Jose gets momentum and goes out and scores a mere 30 seconds later. There was no reason for Abdelkader to take that fight. Nobody got cheap shotted. Nothing could be gained by him for taking that fight. Hes much more effective shutting down players on the ice than trying to knock them out.

Him fighting does nothing to "keep the flies off". Nobody in the league is going to think twice about running Datsyuk, Lidstrom, or Z because big bad Abdelkader is going to come after them. If anything it encourages it.

I dunno, hes given them obvious moentum boosts after a couple of his scraps. His first scrap agaisnt Lapierre it was especially obvious. Pretty sure the wings came down and scored right after he fought Wilson too

No doubt he was a pretty good hitter, but I don't think the example I'd use to show that would be a couple of hits on Stephane Robidas..you know, considering the guy is small and isn't real tough. It would be like saying "Check out how tough Jordin Tootoo is. He absolutely killed Cory Emmerton here."

I agree with you on Abby though.

Robidas is 5'11 200lbs, pretty stocky bastard and he always has played a fairly physical brand of hockey


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:14 PM

Abdelkader has got some offensive upside. I think he should focus more on developing his all-around game, and we should pick up a guy or two to keep the flies off. Don't get me wrong, the fact that he isn't afraid to drop the gloves is great, but it is a problem when nobody else on the team is willing to go. He's not a great fighter, but he'll learn the ropes, hopefully. He's not the punching bag of the NHL, though. As long as Tom Kostopoulos, Max Lapierre, and Colin Fraser are in the NHL, Abby is safe from that title.

I don't mind Abby fighting, but there needs to be another couple of guys that can play and drop the gloves here and there, without being a liability to the team.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:11 PM

I dunno, hes given them obvious moentum boosts after a couple of his scraps. His first scrap agaisnt Lapierre it was especially obvious. Pretty sure the wings came down and scored right after he fought Wilson too


Robidas is 5'11 200lbs, pretty stocky bastard and he always has played a fairly physical brand of hockey

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=SZxL6Ye7adE


Whatever the weight of Stephane Robidas, here's the statement I was originally responding to: "When the Wings had players who were more gritty and could throw down, I guess I'm thinking the Grind Line or a Dallas Drake, they brought something else to the table and were a good overall hockey player as well who could sometimes bury and always got back on defense. That kind of player is hard to come by in this league these days." Keeping in mind that we're on a thread about Justin Abdelkader fighting, I thought it was germaine to the discussion to point out that in the 2007-2008 season (e.g. the one everybody loves to talk Drake up in), he fought less and "buried" less than Abdelkader. Additionally, as Abby is a +7 on the season I find it hard to believe that he get's back on defense any less than Drake did. So as much as everyone wants to make Drake out to be a superhero, at least in the few instances just discussed, he didn't add as much as Abby has this season. The only reason anyone thinks so is because when he did hit guys, he hit them harder, which is cool and all...but doesn't really amount to s*** when you're comparing all around performance.

However, I'll concede the point when you bring in the grind line, because they were all better players than Justin Abdelkader, in spite of the fact that only one of them fought as much or more than he does.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:47 PM

Abdelkader has got some offensive upside. I think he should focus more on developing his all-around game, and we should pick up a guy or two to keep the flies off. Don't get me wrong, the fact that he isn't afraid to drop the gloves is great, but it is a problem when nobody else on the team is willing to go. He's not a great fighter, but he'll learn the ropes, hopefully. He's not the punching bag of the NHL, though. As long as Tom Kostopoulos, Max Lapierre, and Colin Fraser are in the NHL, Abby is safe from that title.

I don't mind Abby fighting, but there needs to be another couple of guys that can play and drop the gloves here and there, without being a liability to the team.

And that's where the conundrum lies; the 80's/90's there was a plethora of players throughout the league capable, and willing to drop the gloves as well as being capable of playing the game itself...Today those numbers are much fewer, and IMHO the Wings have shown very little interest in drafting players of this ilk - thus placing the onus on guys like Abdelkader to step up from time to time - yet he himself isn't overly proficient in this area of the game, and really places himself in harms way for a team (read GM) that appears unwilling to draft these types of players to help ease the burden so to speak.

In other words - there were a handful of guys that were available for our beloved Detroit Red Wings to draft - yet Wings mgt/scouts drafted players completely opposite of that particular spectrum, and these players that the Wings glanced over are now contributing regulars in the NHL, and the players that were chosen instead are mired in the AHL with the odd call-up to fill in on the 4th line.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 07:07 PM

And that's where the conundrum lies; the 80's/90's there was a plethora of players throughout the league capable, and willing to drop the gloves as well as being capable of playing the game itself...Today those numbers are much fewer, and IMHO the Wings have shown very little interest in drafting players of this ilk - thus placing the onus on guys like Abdelkader to step up from time to time - yet he himself isn't overly proficient in this area of the game, and really places himself in harms way for a team (read GM) that appears unwilling to draft these types of players to help ease the burden so to speak.

In other words - there were a handful of guys that were available for our beloved Detroit Red Wings to draft - yet Wings mgt/scouts drafted players completely opposite of that particular spectrum, and these players that the Wings glanced over are now contributing regulars in the NHL, and the players that were chosen instead are mired in the AHL with the odd call-up to fill in on the 4th line.

The number of players that can play and fight today are less than the '80s/'90s, but the notion that there are none available is laughable. There are still plenty of guys around that we can pick up in the summer that will help the team out, as well as dropping the gloves. As we get closer to free agency, I will compile a list of these types of players. Yeah, no doubt we've passed up on a lot of major talents in favor of who have turned out to be AHL players. There is no reason we can't pick up one of these guys over the summer. We'll have a ton of cap space.

Other than Abdelkader, Bertuzzi, and Helm, who is gonna get in on the forecheck and finish their checks and win puck battles along the boards and behind the net?
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