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#161 b.shanafan14

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 02:57 PM

I had never really noticed it before seeing all Stevens' hits in succession, but in at least a third of his really punishing hits happened with a teammate more or less setting the opposition player "up on the rails", so to speak. Almost sealing the player with the puck in such a way to bot get their attention on them and away from Stevens and also straighten their path into him. I wonder if this is some weird coincidence or if that was the M.O. the whole time.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 04:04 PM

In some ways this reminds me of the Stuart hit on Umberger vs Columbus in the playoffs. Voracek and Umberger looked up briefly, fiddled with the puck, and never anticipated how fast the gap was closing when they turned up ice.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 04:07 PM

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This is some of the worst photohopping I've ever seen. So awesome :lol:

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 04:10 PM

This is some of the worst photohopping I've ever seen. So awesome :lol:


I'm pretty sure it's MS Paint, actually.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 04:45 PM

I gotta say, even though I think their fans are some of the biggest douchebags of all NHL fans, I have definitely gained some respect for the Flyers. (note: some)

Pretty much any other team out there would have thrown af****** temper tantrum and been screaming about how Kronner should be booted without question.

I agree. Over on hfboards there were a surprising amount of Flyers fans who thought it was a clean hard hit. They weren't even whining about Kronwall not fighting.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 05:05 PM

I agree. Over on hfboards there were a surprising amount of Flyers fans who thought it was a clean hard hit. They weren't even whining about Kronwall not fighting.


There were others who were whining vociferously about the hit and accusing Kronwall of not "standing up" for his hits (i.e. fighting afterward). They seemed intent on ignoring the fact that their own team's players had called the hit clean. HF is full of morons, though, so I'm not surprised at such behavior.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 05:23 PM

There were others who were whining vociferously about the hit and accusing Kronwall of not "standing up" for his hits (i.e. fighting afterward). They seemed intent on ignoring the fact that their own team's players had called the hit clean. HF is full of morons, though, so I'm not surprised at such behavior.

That's the thing, I expected it to be 100% flyers fans complaining about the hit. There were plenty of fans of other teams who were, but among the Flyers fans it seemed almost 50/50 which is surprising. Especially given the general caliber of posts on hfboards.

There's a thread there right now that's about a horribly written "article" about Kronwall by one of the hf staff. It's yet another example of how the staff there are no more informed or unbiased than the average fan there.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 06:03 PM

That's the thing, I expected it to be 100% flyers fans complaining about the hit. There were plenty of fans of other teams who were, but among the Flyers fans it seemed almost 50/50 which is surprising. Especially given the general caliber of posts on hfboards.

There's a thread there right now that's about a horribly written "article" about Kronwall by one of the hf staff. It's yet another example of how the staff there are no more informed or unbiased than the average fan there.

in general hf boards if very anti-hitting if you have any attitude that hockey should be tough you can bet your ass you will be warned about "being mean to others".
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 07:18 PM

in general hf boards if very anti-hitting if you have any attitude that hockey should be tough you can bet your ass you will be warned about "being mean to others".

Well, their biggest beef with Kronwall is that he doesn't fight after hits. Any time a player is suspended for a hit, people whine about how they're trying to take big hits out of the game. But having to drop the gloves after a big hit somehow doesn't discourage hitting to them.

Though there are people there who feel he somehow should've not made the hit knowing he was going to hit Voracek so hard.

I can understand people wishing Kronwall would fight just once or twice after a big hit, but it's mostly nonsense over there.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:09 AM

Well, their biggest beef with Kronwall is that he doesn't fight after hits. Any time a player is suspended for a hit, people whine about how they're trying to take big hits out of the game. But having to drop the gloves after a big hit somehow doesn't discourage hitting to them.

Though there are people there who feel he somehow should've not made the hit knowing he was going to hit Voracek so hard.

I can understand people wishing Kronwall would fight just once or twice after a big hit, but it's mostly nonsense over there.

i mean in general, if you say anything like " i think kronwall is gonna crush someone tonight" they will give you a warning, tsn does the same thing. When we played the canucks i wrote "I think kronwall will catch booth tonight" and they refused to publish it.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 02:35 AM

Kronwall can catch anyone! Good Luck!

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:22 AM

Well, their biggest beef with Kronwall is that he doesn't fight after hits. Any time a player is suspended for a hit, people whine about how they're trying to take big hits out of the game. But having to drop the gloves after a big hit somehow doesn't discourage hitting to them.

Though there are people there who feel he somehow should've not made the hit knowing he was going to hit Voracek so hard.

I can understand people wishing Kronwall would fight just once or twice after a big hit, but it's mostly nonsense over there.


I understand why folks call for him to "answer" for his hits, clean or otherwise, but it is complete nonsense. More than anything its butt-hurt.

Lets for the sake of simplicity call it Kesler-Clowe Syndrome (KCS): if a smaller guy, who has never fought before and seems in their mind physically inferior to themselves, all of a sudden puts them on tomorrow's highlight reel by folding them like a lawn chair, despite a few inches of height and pounds of weight, the knee-jerk response is butt-hurt and the KCS desire to redeem one's self.

Kronwall will "troll", shrug it off and get twice his moneys worth with the hit and a penalty for your retaliation, which as a Wings fan is one of the best parts of watching Kronwall do his thing (though sometimes the refs jumping in front of him is a bit...well, you know). Its one thing to want to retaliate in the moment, on the ice, and for some, their pride is worth the two minutes (especially since the Wings PP is so flacid). Its another thing to carry your pout into the post-game interviews and say something as moronic as "you can't lay a hit like that without having to fight afterwards", like there is some unwritten rule that if you're hurt or embarrassed in play you get to even it out on my face.

i mean in general, if you say anything like " i think kronwall is gonna crush someone tonight" they will give you a warning, tsn does the same thing. When we played the canucks i wrote "I think kronwall will catch booth tonight" and they refused to publish it.


Its funny how moderators can be so ridiculously bias and still be allowed to lord over open forums. Even on HockeyStreams, hearing Wings fan and moderator Steve-O is a bit shameful. Every call against the Wings is unjustified, every hit on a Wing dirty, every opposition goal is either an uncalled penalty or would-be disallowed goal. The fates conspire against the Wings in everything and the opposition always has an unfair advantage.

Me, I'm a "blame the Wings first" kinda guy, just ask Crymson, who is of the "***** about the bitching" persuasion :D

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:16 PM

The funniest thing over on hfboards about the hit is that one of the actual staff there wrote an "article" (blog) condemning Kronwall for the hit. And in the thread about it was saying things like any NHL defenseman could catch guys like Kronwall does and crush them, but they choose not to out of respect for their fellow players.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:58 PM

The funniest thing over on hfboards about the hit is that one of the actual staff there wrote an "article" (blog) condemning Kronwall for the hit. And in the thread about it was saying things like any NHL defenseman could catch guys like Kronwall does and crush them, but they choose not to out of respect for their fellow players.

:lol:


There's also a stink made about the fact that he doesn't fight, as if he's obligated to fight after making clean hits.

Its funny how moderators can be so ridiculously bias and still be allowed to lord over open forums. Even on HockeyStreams, hearing Wings fan and moderator Steve-O is a bit shameful. Every call against the Wings is unjustified, every hit on a Wing dirty, every opposition goal is either an uncalled penalty or would-be disallowed goal. The fates conspire against the Wings in everything and the opposition always has an unfair advantage.


Yeah, Steve-o is certainly very biased. However, he's not even a moderator, really; he just hangs around in the chatroom. I guess he can eject from the room anyone who is being exceptionally obnoxious, but I've never seen him do it. In all, his homerism doesn't really have any tangible effect upon the experience there.

Sadly, this isn't the case on HF, in which many staff members and moderators are wont to constantly take sides and make biased moderation decisions. It's very apparent that none of the mods are supervised from above.

Me, I'm a "blame the Wings first" kinda guy, just ask Crymson, who is of the "***** about the bitching" persuasion :D


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 02:37 PM

Puck Daddy article on the topic. I don't post this because the article has any merit, but rather because it's a terrible article that got ripped on by very nearly every single person who posted a comment on the page. Ryan Lambert is Puck Daddy's resident Wings-hater--he seems completely unable to prevent his raging hatred for the Wings from being reflected in every article he writes that even mentions them--and is widely regarded by readers as the single worst writer Pucky Daddy employs. It's beyond me how this moron, whose every article is widely accosted by readers, manages to keep his job.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:20 PM

It's beyond me how this moron, whose every article is widely accosted by readers, manages to keep his job.


That may be precisely why -- he provokes reaction.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:33 PM

That may be precisely why -- he provokes reaction.


I doubt it. The quality of his writing is awful.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 05:31 PM

Puck Daddy article on the topic. I don't post this because the article has any merit, but rather because it's a terrible article that got ripped on by very nearly every single person who posted a comment on the page. Ryan Lambert is Puck Daddy's resident Wings-hater--he seems completely unable to prevent his raging hatred for the Wings from being reflected in every article he writes that even mentions them--and is widely regarded by readers as the single worst writer Pucky Daddy employs. It's beyond me how this moron, whose every article is widely accosted by readers, manages to keep his job.


It really is potent with the stench of hatred. Terrible article.

I know concussions are a scary part of the game and this comment is in bad taste, but I couldn't help but giggle simply because it was a complete dismissal of everything in the article: (in response to a moron agreeing with the article while adding additional Wing hatred) "Hey Dutch, what's the difference between Cindy and a drooling idiot? One hit. And I hope it's from Kronwall."

Bad taste, I know, but still funny.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:45 AM

I say clean hit. Kronwall should have let up maybe but the hit was clean.

Don't come out of the zone with your head up your ass. No, let up necessary on that one.
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