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[GMRwings1983]

This is not one of my other accounts. I don't know who this guy is.

Please stop sending me PM's everyone!

Edited by GMRwings1983, 29 March 2012 - 06:04 PM.

[b.shanafan14]

B b bb b but for the wings to sign a tough guy he has to be able to score 30 points a year and play 15 minutes a night... eventhough emmerton provides a lot of nothing.

Seriously, Dorsett is under 6 feet, runs around at the end of a blowout game than goes and has his way with the wings next game? This team had no spark last game at all, its pathetic

Threads about this team being soft have gotten old.

That said, I agree. Last night was irritating to watch, and I'm as sick as anyone seeing this team constantly roughed up with no answer. I agree with Holland and Babcock's argument for not giving a roster spot to a pair of fists for a toughness sake. Ideally, we would be filling spots with guys who can play, pressure the opposition, and contribute. Unfortunately, that isn't the case. Our fourth line is beyond useless. So much so, that even with talent like Nyquist knocked down the lineup, we won't play them more than 5 minutes and 9 shifts.

I might get flamed for this, but I honestly don't know a tough guy in the league who is more useless on the ice than Emmerton is. Doesn't help your argument when you can't ice your 4th line as it is.

[MabusIncarnate]

Oh boy, another one of THESE threads...

[GoWings1905]

Threads about this team being soft have gotten old.

That said, I agree. Last night was irritating to watch, and I'm as sick as anyone seeing this team constantly roughed up with no answer. I agree with Holland and Babcock's argument for not giving a roster spot to a pair of fists for a toughness sake. Ideally, we would be filling spots with guys who can play, pressure the opposition, and contribute. Unfortunately, that isn't the case. Our fourth line is beyond useless. So much so, that even with talent like Nyquist knocked down the lineup, we won't play them more than 5 minutes and 9 shifts.

I might get flamed for this, but I honestly don't know a tough guy in the league who is more useless on the ice than Emmerton is. Doesn't help your argument when you can't ice your 4th line as it is.

Completely agree about the 4th line. I know the Red Wings philosophy is an emphasis on skill, but it wouldn't be the worst thing ever to just change that idea for guys playing five minutes per game. I think Emmerton is just roster filler and nothing more, though it's also kind of unfair to ask a "skill" player coming up to continue to play that role in such limited ice time. Nyquist may as well not even dress if he isn't going to play with Datsyuk -- they are wasting his talent throwing him out there with Emmerton and Holmstrom.

I'm pretty neutral overall on needing someone to fight consistently. However, I would be thrilled if Holland actually added a couple physical players to create something that actually resembles a useful 4th line in the future. Having some big bodies there that will forecheck hard and ideally kill penalties would be so much more valuable than whatever the hell the Red Wings 4th line presently does (nothing). There's no identity right now -- I haven't noticed Emmerton do anything in months, Mursak skates around real fast and Holmstrom is stuck there because he is nothing more than a PP specialist that doesn't do anything else worthwhile.

Three lines of skill and depth is plenty. The 4th line should be designated to provide energy and some grit. Derek Dorsett is a maniac against the Red Wings, but he contributes still offensively, which is seemingly a requirement to make the Red Wings roster. Eric Nystrom was on waivers. There are always viable options available and yet it seems like every year the front office tries to force borderline prospects with minimal offensive upside into a role that nearly every other team in the league uses to carry some "sandpaper".

Besides addressing the glaring need for a top-six forward (or two), my biggest hope this summer is Holland does a complete revamp of the 4th line. I'm also hoping to date Kate Upton as well.

[Electrophile]

I'm really getting sick andf****** tired of the same bulls*** arguments being made on these boards time after time after time. It's like a broken record that's had the needle taped down. Nothing new is ever said, no one's minds are changed, nothing different is brought to the table. It's like any thread about HWSNBN*. The same circle jerk consisting of the same damn people shouting the same incomprehensible babble over one another until they pass out or a mod locks/deletes the thread.



*He Who Shall Not Be Named

[Echolalia]

I'm really getting sick andf****** tired of the same bulls*** arguments being made on these boards time after time after time. It's like a broken record that's had the needle taped down. Nothing new is ever said, no one's minds are changed, nothing different is brought to the table. It's like any thread about HWSNBN*. The same circle jerk consisting of the same damn people shouting the same incomprehensible babble over one another until they pass out or a mod locks/deletes the thread.



*He Who Shall Not Be Named

Tell it like it is girl!

[GMRwings1983]

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

He's going to Toronto

[Barrie]

I don't think it's the Red Wings that are soft, they're just trying to win games. It's the League that's soft for not trying to put an end to this MMA style hockey which leads to their most marketable and popular players to miss weeks and months of games because of concussions and injuries.

With everything we know now about concussions, I wish the NHL would take more of a NFL approach and protect their players properly. The stars should run this league, not the thugs.

[joshy207]

Changes will come this offseason

That won't happen as long as Holland is still GM. He has a huge boner for this roster as it stands. That's why, despite him saying the team "NEEDS TO GET BETTER" after being eliminated by San Jose AGAIN last spring, nothing changed. He replaced Rafalski with White, Salei with Commodore, Modano and Draper with Emmerton and Mursak, and Osgood with Conklin. 4 of those guys retired and had to be replaced. White is the only one who's really panned out well. What else? NOTHING. Is the team "BETTER"? NO And the only deadline move the last 2 years was getting Quincey back... aka fixing a mistake from several years ago. NOTHING WILL CHANGE. EVER.

[F.Michael]

Changes will come this offseason, you will see a tougher team next season.

How much ya wanna bet that they won't?

[F.Michael]

Plus, tough hockey isn't winning hockey anyways.

2 words - Boston Bruins

I'm really getting sick andf****** tired of the same bulls*** arguments being made on these boards time after time after time. It's like a broken record that's had the needle taped down. Nothing new is ever said, no one's minds are changed, nothing different is brought to the table. It's like any thread about HWSNBN*. The same circle jerk consisting of the same damn people shouting the same incomprehensible babble over one another until they pass out or a mod locks/deletes the thread.



*He Who Shall Not Be Named

So...What should we talk about then?

[paulwoodsfan]

The only reason Emmerton is playing is because he and Abdelkader are the only guys on the third and fourth lines capable of playing centre. When Helm returns (let's hope by start of the playoffs), Emmerton will sit and Abdelkader will move down to the fourth line. The only alternative would be to move either Filppula or Franzen down to centre one of the bottom two lines. Obviously Fil isn't going anywhere. I would actually like to see Franzen moved back to the fourth-line checking role he had earlier in his career, since he was very effective in that role and he's only sporadically effective as a top-line winger these days. He would make a very good shutdown centre against Thornton and Getzlaf (not that the latter is a threat this year). And maybe a return to his roots would help him snap out of his funk.

[Electrophile]

So...What should we talk about then?

You mean the only conversation to be had here is we're too soft/too Euro/we need enforcers/______ should be fired? There's literally NOTHING else worth discussing in regards to the Detroit Red Wings? How many damn threads about how random poster X thinks we need goons on the squad do we need? Is thread #1,000,000 going to suddenly make everyone scream "EUREKA!!111!" or something?

[F.Michael]

You mean the only conversation to be had here is we're too soft/too Euro/we need enforcers/______ should be fired? There's literally NOTHING else worth discussing in regards to the Detroit Red Wings? How many damn threads about how random poster X thinks we need goons on the squad do we need? Is thread #1,000,000 going to suddenly make everyone scream "EUREKA!!111!" or something?

Well it is a discussion board afterall...If ya don't like the title of the thread.....

[NeverForgetMac25]

Cries for toughness are funny. We're all for vigilante justice when some punk is running around or hacking and slashing, yet we mock those who fight after a clean hit.

Enforcing rules is for refs. Otherwise, hockey is tough. The Wings aren't asking to soften the game to suit them and they aren't quitting, so in reality, despite your observation, there is no problem.

These best post I've read in a long time!

[Electrophile]

Well it is a discussion board afterall...If ya don't like the title of the thread.....

That's kinda sorta not the point. Wading through the noise to find threads about subjects that haven't been beaten to death is rather hard most days. It's either threads about HWSNBN, enforcers, Babcock/random player sucks, we're too soft....ad infinitum. It would be nice if people did a search on a particular topic to see if it's been discussed recently, and add their opinion to that thread rather than create a new one for a point that's been made a thousand times already.

[Rick D]

This poor poor horse.

[F.Michael]

That's kinda sorta not the point. Wading through the noise to find threads about subjects that haven't been beaten to death is rather hard most days. It's either threads about HWSNBN, enforcers, Babcock/random player sucks, we're too soft....ad infinitum. It would be nice if people did a search on a particular topic to see if it's been discussed recently, and add their opinion to that thread rather than create a new one for a point that's been made a thousand times already.

I hear ya, but if someone wants to vent/get something off his chest about the team - then why not start a thread?

As long as fellow LGW members remain civil towards one another then I for one have no real issue with this.

You gotta remember - as a knuckle dragger I find these threads both amusing, and therapeutic

[Konnan511]

goalie gets ran, and getting our asses kicked by the worst team in the league and no one is angry enough to go after the guy. This is hockey, and its infuriating that this team is filled with wimps.

Penguins lost twice In a row to the islanders just now with Crosby. Their fighters and goons really made a difference that game too.