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#321 WingNut 25

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:59 PM

Wings won't trade Flip or Nyquist. If Franzen is made available, Holland will want a comparable player in return. Name how many of those guys are actually available and if someone wants to absorb the years left on Mule's deal. Realistically, what do you think guys like Eaves, Emmerton, Miller or Abdelkader bring in return? Not much. Miller actually scores on the bottom 2 lines. You gotta hold on to guys like that. The other 3 are role players that don't score. Not exactly hot commodities.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:06 PM

I agree about Nyquist, no way Holland moves him. Flip is, I think, a possibility.

The bottom six guys I mentioned, they're good guys, but they're also pretty expendable. Not that I think they'd fetch a whole lot - unless, perhaps, packaged along with a bigger name or two....

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:29 PM

As for Franzen - like I said, he's not entirely unmovable. I realize everyone and his mom feels that no one in his right mind would ever take him on, but I really don't think that's so. There are teams who could use someone like him. Could we get a comparable player in return? I dunno. But the thing with him is, if he starts tanking, he may very well be unmovable in a couple seasons. In which case The Powers That Be would look back in anger and remorse, asking, "Why didn't we even consider moving this lazy sonsabitch?"

Mind you, I don't seem him going anywhere. So I do hope he does great things for us. (In other words, I don't have a Franzen voodoo doll. He has the potential to be elite.)

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:26 PM

Franzen for Morrow is one of the dumbest trade ideas in recent memory. Franzen, while streaky, pots close to 30 goals a year. His injuries have often been freak plays. Morrow throws a check and limps off the ice. He fills no void for the Wings.

To me, Parise is the "all in" UFA for this franchise. He'd be dynamite on a line with Datsyuk. I truly think Detroit is on his short list of destinations.

Suter is interesting because Nashville could go far this postseason and now has an ownership group that can pay him. The question for the Preds will simply be "Can we pay everyone?" Radulov is going to get a huge pay raise. Weber is UFA next summer and could easily get $10 million/year on the open market and the team has some other free agents they'll need to decide on. Given their depth of D, maybe they let Suter walk for the greater good. I think most can agree on the Wings making a huge push on both Suter and Parise. They are "need" players for the franchise. I can only hope management does not drop the ball this offseason as they have since 2009.

Franzen just proved to the entire world that he has zero heart. He floated around like a butterfly and only scored when the time expired and his lazy ass got in the way of the actual man who made the play...and regarding Morrow hitting and limping away....uh...at least he hits. I would Morrow's heart, grit and 20 goals over Franzen and his lazy, heartless, soft nearly 30. Oh and regarding injuries, Franzen has played 180 games the last 3 seasons....Morrow 215.

Sorry but if you want results and a change to this franchise to avoid the same crap next season, IMO Franzen has to go.

Salary cap prevents a lot of trades and who, minus our core, was really trade bait? Too many people live in a fantasy world when it comes to trades & free agency.

I don't live in one...Franzen, Cleary, Hudler, Emmerton, Mursak and Kindl were all tradeable at the deadline, and they are all tradeable at the draft. (minus Hudler the UFA)

Just remembered that Stuart isn't expected to be back. Man, if we lose Nick and Stuart, we NEED to do something big on the blue line. Not saying Suter is a must, there's always trades, but that would be an awful scenario to have to replace both of them in one offseason.

Honestly, I believe that signing Suter and re-signing Quincey along with promoting Smith full time will more than cover the loss of Lids and Stuart. Especially they way Lids played the end of the season and payoffs. I understand he was nursing an injury, but if he cannot heal correctly, it's time to call it a career...he just looked worn down and tired...it may be over.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:48 PM

This team needs some change this summer badly!
This is what I would like to see (probably hopeful but possible)
First trade Franzen, rights to Stuart, and pick/prospect for Dustin Brown at draft (right handed shot, plays with grit, skates hard) - long shot but possible imo
Then sign Parise (goal scorer, entering prime)
Resign lids at slight discount if possible
Don't resign huds please!
Sign someone like Jarott Stoll (right hander with grit and scoring touch)
Sign Bryan Allen to replace Stuart
Trade Emmerton, Kindl, for anything
Lines could look like this:
Parise-Datsyuk-BertuzziFilpula-Z-BrownNyquist-Helm-StollCleary-Abdelkader-Eaves/Miller
Lids-WhiteKronwall-AllenEricsson-Quincey/Smith
Even without Stoll lines would be a lot more solid! Parise and Brown are upgrades over Hudler/Franzen
Suter would be awesome but I think he'll stay in Nashville!

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:17 PM

Man, just imagine if the wings missed the playoffs. :scared:

I think the Wings need to do a little more than stick with free agents, I'd really like the wings to look into a trade the only players I wouldn't trade on the Wings right now are Z/Pav/Kronwall/Nyquist/Smith .It's probably unlikely but San Jose is going to be looking to change things up, wouldn't mind seeing Murray, or Clowe. Canucks are looking to retool as well.

Or if we miss on Parise/Suter we could tank for #1 pick next year and then try and lure Sidney Crosby here :hehe:

To be serious though next years UFA market is looking really good Corey Perry and Getzlaf need to be signed so it's possible one might test the market, Fisher, Hartnell, J. Staal, Lupul, Derek Roy, Horton, Enstrom, Clowe, Edler, Weiss, Chris Neil, Chad Larose, Nystrom ugh why couldn't it be this year :(

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:18 PM

I don't know if its so much confidence as it is optimism. We have lots of caps space, for a change, and these two players bring something we're lacking right now, so one would have to think that we're at least going to be pursuing them. Personally, I don't think we'll get both, but one would be great. We need a new stud defenseman with Lidstrom getting near the end and Parise would fit so well on this team its ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Wings get neither, but they have to do something. I really don't want to hear Holland say in September "Darren Helm coming back from injury was our big off season acquisition".


Optimism is fine, but in reality I don't see why either one would sign with the wings. What we have to offer here is a tradition of winning (which is great but doesn't mean much), an aging group of core players, and some modest talent as far as prospects go. We have to be realistic here and realize that Parise and Suter are just about to enter their prime. They are going to want to go to a team that is going to be getting better and better every year. I'm sorry to say that I see Detroit going the exact opposite way and in the end, I think that will be why they don't sign with the wings.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:26 PM

Optimism is fine, but in reality I don't see why either one would sign with the wings. What we have to offer here is a tradition of winning (which is great but doesn't mean much), an aging group of core players, and some modest talent as far as prospects go. We have to be realistic here and realize that Parise and Suter are just about to enter their prime. They are going to want to go to a team that is going to be getting better and better every year. I'm sorry to say that I see Detroit going the exact opposite way and in the end, I think that will be why they don't sign with the wings.


Which teams, other than Detroit, can guarantee consistent success and bids to the playoffs?

Detroit is a promising destination no matter what the naysayers think.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:30 PM

Which teams, other than Detroit, can guarantee consistent success and bids to the playoffs?

Detroit is a promising destination no matter what the naysayers think.


I don't know, who would want to play with that Datsyuk guy? Terrible player.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:52 PM

LeftWinger - any player can be traded. Ask Wayne Gretzky. Here's the problem with these armchair fantasy GMs: none of these trades make sense. Your theory is a guy who has a C on his sweater is better than someone you label soft, despite that aforementioned soft player scoring more goals and being far more proven come playoff time. Morrow's resume is far from a compelling case to be a "must get" guy. I see nothing wrong with adding fresh leadership but at what cost? Morrow fills no need beyond taking some other team's captain and helping add a new voice to the Detroit locker room. You really consider Morrow an upgrade over Mule in production? One of our greatest needs is more depth at forward an more goal scorers. Your fix is to trade one away and bring in less goals?

That's the theme of my posts: live within reason when suggesting moves. Nash will never get moved to Detroit because of the immense negativity that will carry for the Columbus franchise. Perry, Getzlaf or Ryan coul be moved but if you're on the other end of that deal as a GM, are you salivating at the prospect of trading one of those 3 for a Franzen or Filpulla and spare parts (I.E. Abby, Eaves, Kindl, etc). It took a 1st round pick to get Kyle Quincey. It's gonna take loads more than the lower tier guys and 1 of our stars mentioned to land any of the names I'm seeing.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:59 PM

How about Parise, Perry, Suter?

I'd have to guess it'd take A LOT to get Perry...


but I will say that if we did somehow get those 3, there's no doubt that'd push us right towards being favorites for the cup next year. That'd be a top 6 of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Perry, Parise, and the 6th doesn't even matter.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:19 PM

I'd have to guess it'd take A LOT to get Perry...


but I will say that if we did somehow get those 3, there's no doubt that'd push us right towards being favorites for the cup next year. That'd be a top 6 of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Perry, Parise, and the 6th doesn't even matter.


I think Franzen would be going back in a deal for perry along with Fil (they desperately need a great second line center) and then add on like Tatar or Abby and a first. Id still do it for Perry (a young right handed sniper with grit).

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:27 PM

Yea it'd definitely have to be package with a skilled center like Fil.

I'd do it in a heartbeat though. Perry would give us so many things that we've missed. If any team brought in a duo of Parise and Perry that'd just be a crazy good haul of additions to a team.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:34 PM

They really need another bottom 6 center. That would help a lot with their depth problems, unless everyone thinks Emmerton will be more improved next season.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:14 PM

They really need another bottom 6 center. That would help a lot with their depth problems, unless everyone thinks Emmerton will be more improved next season.

Bottom 6 tough, face-off specialist is a huge need. gaustad was huge difference maker in the series.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:30 PM

Parise,Prust,Suter...jack pot

Parenteau,Konopka,Garrison...bingo

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:31 PM

So say Perry costs Flip, Franzen, a fourth-liner/prospect...and I'll throw in a draft pick, because Perry's that good, and that important to the Ducks, and Holland really should be that interested in him, IMHO. And then say we also get Parise.

Parise - Datsyuk - Bertuzzi
Cleary/Nyquist - Zetterberg - Perry

I almost feel like I'm trolling. :lol:

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:21 PM

I don't know, who would want to play with that Datsyuk guy? Terrible player.


An incredible player. But an aging one. He falls in the 'core' IMO. He's not getting any younger (turning 34 soon) and neither are the rest of the guys who have carried this team for the better part of a decade. And the prospects to replace them simply are not there. The sooner that realization is come to the better. This isn't THE destination for free agents; there are plenty of other teams that players want to play for. It's a little arrogant to just assume that top end FA's are going to come here because "it's Detroit and we have a tradition of winning". The future is a very uncertain thing for the Wings given the age of this team and there are a lot of other teams with much better futures. It's wrong to assume that this is just the place to be and FA's are certainly going to come to Detroit.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:39 PM

LeftWinger - any player can be traded. Ask Wayne Gretzky. Here's the problem with these armchair fantasy GMs: none of these trades make sense. Your theory is a guy who has a C on his sweater is better than someone you label soft, despite that aforementioned soft player scoring more goals and being far more proven come playoff time. Morrow's resume is far from a compelling case to be a "must get" guy. I see nothing wrong with adding fresh leadership but at what cost? Morrow fills no need beyond taking some other team's captain and helping add a new voice to the Detroit locker room. You really consider Morrow an upgrade over Mule in production? One of our greatest needs is more depth at forward an more goal scorers. Your fix is to trade one away and bring in less goals?

That's the theme of my posts: live within reason when suggesting moves. Nash will never get moved to Detroit because of the immense negativity that will carry for the Columbus franchise. Perry, Getzlaf or Ryan coul be moved but if you're on the other end of that deal as a GM, are you salivating at the prospect of trading one of those 3 for a Franzen or Filpulla and spare parts (I.E. Abby, Eaves, Kindl, etc). It took a 1st round pick to get Kyle Quincey. It's gonna take loads more than the lower tier guys and 1 of our stars mentioned to land any of the names I'm seeing.

Yes, Morrow would fit in wonderfully on the 3rd line with Helm/Bertuzzi. He brings grit and leadership to this team, both of which Franzen has none of, and as for losing Franzen's scoring (a whole 56 points from our "sniper") I am replacing him with Parise and Semin (plus Morrow is only a season removed from his own 56 points.) So trading Franzen, Cleary and letting Holmstrom retire and Hudler walk, while bringing in Parise, Semin and Morrow, I would say that pretty much fills a ton of needs on the offensive front...So no, my "FIX" is not to just trade Franzen for Morrow (although yes, Morrow is an all around upgrade to Franzen) it's just a piece to the puzzle. If Parise and Semin are signed, then Franzen falls to 3rd line anyhow and on the 3rd line, Morrow is tons better than Franzen...

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:45 PM

Someone mentioned earlier about trading Stuart's rights, OMG! I never even thought about that! I just assumed he is leaving, he is leaving. How cool would it be to trade Stuart to San Jose for Clowe? If Stuart isn't enough, we can throw in Hudler as well. Shoot, why not?

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