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WCQF Game 5 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Predators 2


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#1081 Fonzarelli

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:35 AM

I want to believe that the Wings will make some changes but lately it seems like Illitch is spending his money on the Tigers rather than the Hockey team. I could be wrong and I hope I am but not making a splash in free agency and then not making hardly any moves at the deadline, I can't help but wonder whats going on. It could also be that Holland is undervaluing free agents. My first Red flag was Wisniewski saying that the wings expect there players to take a discount to come and play for them. I realize the salary cap restrictions but why did we play the whole season with $6 million in the bank. I mean Columbus spent more money than we did this year. It is just mind blowing.

I believe Holland will make a big plash for this new season. This is why he kept the money back and he will have more to play with as some players will retire or be let go. Franzen, to me is an enigma and I would certainly keep him. My main objective for Franzen, next year, would be to centre his own line. That's his natural position - so have him play it. Then you would have Dats, Z, Franzen and Helm. I think that could be 4 strong lines. Will Bacock consider this? Of course not because he lives in a bubble.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:16 AM

I believe Holland will make a big plash for this new season. This is why he kept the money back and he will have more to play with as some players will retire or be let go. Franzen, to me is an enigma and I would certainly keep him. My main objective for Franzen, next year, would be to centre his own line. That's his natural position - so have him play it. Then you would have Dats, Z, Franzen and Helm. I think that could be 4 strong lines. Will Bacock consider this? Of course not because he lives in a bubble.


Pretty sure you live in the bubble.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:17 AM

I believe Holland will make a big plash for this new season. This is why he kept the money back and he will have more to play with as some players will retire or be let go. Franzen, to me is an enigma and I would certainly keep him. My main objective for Franzen, next year, would be to centre his own line. That's his natural position - so have him play it. Then you would have Dats, Z, Franzen and Helm. I think that could be 4 strong lines. Will Bacock consider this? Of course not because he lives in a bubble.

I'm not sure how great of a center Franzen is, "natural" position or not. However, I'd be fine with keeping him if he is on the third line, and centering a line should force him to move his feet, which he hasn't done in years.

Then we need to ask ourselves a few things: would he have even 20 goals a season at his current level if it wasn't for Pavel Datsyuk? Is a guy on an 11-year contract at $4mil cap-hit, while getting paid $5+mil worth it for a 3rd line center who may or may not contribute 20+ goals and adds nothing else in the physical, defensive, or even effort department?

The guy was finally put on the 4th line, where he should have been for a while now. What sparked this demotion now? Apparently the guy who 2/3 of LGW thought would be our savior all season couldn't bother to show up for a single game of the first round series, and didn't look to show up for the elimination game.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:22 AM

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Pretty sure you live in the bubble.


Which part of what I wrote is the bubble? Just curious.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:27 AM

Morning after ... it still feels like sh*t.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:14 AM

Wow... just saw the FS Detroit interview with Homer. Keating ends by asking him if he has thought about his future. Holmstrom's reaction "you gotta be kidding". I hate that there are guys who have the drive without the tools, and guys with the tools without the drive. If this was his last playoff, I thought he competed as much as he possibly could and he'll be missed :(

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:20 AM

I went to bed around 7pm last night and woke up around 430am, checked the score on my phone... Looks like I didn't miss anything.

I was @ Game 4 first row ice level and it wasn't easy to watch....
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:39 AM

It's sinking in now.

We're out.

We've been eliminated in the FIRST ROUND.

It sucks. This shouldn't happen. But when you have an old, stale team that seriously lacks offensive fire-power, what more could we have realistically expected?

Ken Holland: Hes (Mursak) a young guy, provides energy, can skate, hes a puck hound.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:51 AM

I should have known they would come out with the effort they did. Yesterday I saw a terrible omen:

I'm in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, at the School of Architecture building turning in papers to graduate, riding the high of a well-presented project, when I see a Red Wings sweater! "Wow, how great!" I think, usually seeing no NHL fans, and only recently seeing some Blackhawks bandwagoners.

As the guy got closer, I see the number on the sweater...... 29. It was a Jason Williams sweater... The end, I thought, was truly nigh.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:21 AM

I'm not sure how great of a center Franzen is, "natural" position or not. However, I'd be fine with keeping him if he is on the third line, and centering a line should force him to move his feet, which he hasn't done in years.

Then we need to ask ourselves a few things: would he have even 20 goals a season at his current level if it wasn't for Pavel Datsyuk? Is a guy on an 11-year contract at $4mil cap-hit, while getting paid $5+mil worth it for a 3rd line center who may or may not contribute 20+ goals and adds nothing else in the physical, defensive, or even effort department?

The guy was finally put on the 4th line, where he should have been for a while now. What sparked this demotion now? Apparently the guy who 2/3 of LGW thought would be our savior all season couldn't bother to show up for a single game of the first round series, and didn't look to show up for the elimination game.

More like 90% of LGW. In stark contrast, I was hoping to be wrong, but I was 100% sure he wasn't going to. There were a few of us, but we were definitely in the minor of minorist (yes, made up word) minorities!

Edited by LeftWinger, 21 April 2012 - 11:22 AM.

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Franzen = 0.333 PPG


#1091 St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:33 AM

Yeah definitely sinking in now. But no surprise really. We were the worst team heading into the playoffs (playing wise) and since the home record it was all downhill from there.

#1092 LeftWinger

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:35 AM

To Sum up this season in three words......JUCKf****** POTT!

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:30 PM

Today feels like a really bad hang over
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#1094 BottleOfSmoke

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:37 PM

Today feels like a really bad hang over


Mix that with a really bad hangover and it's pretty much the definition of suck.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 12:48 PM

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE ahhhHHHAHH
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 03:04 PM

To Sum up this season in three words......JUCKf****** POTT!

More like SUCKf****** POTT

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:56 PM

Reading some of the comments from last night... Such a joke how so many people want Holland fired. I wonder if some of you guys still feel that way after you've had a chance to cool off. Do you feel any shame for saying such ridiculous things?

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:16 PM

Reading some of the comments from last night... Such a joke how so many people want Holland fired. I wonder if some of you guys still feel that way after you've had a chance to cool off. Do you feel any shame for saying such ridiculous things?


Are you being sarcastic?

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:23 PM

Wow, Mike this has to be the most replies in the GDT...too bad we didn't win :(

Bummed about the loss, but I wasn't impressed with their efforts this go around.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:13 PM

Are you being sarcastic?


No.

I just don't understand how people can say such things after all the success Holland has brought to this team. And let's say he does get fired. Who replaces him? Also, people at various times during the season wanted Babcock fired. Who would replace him? The GM and coaches can only do so much. The majority of the blame for this season should go to the players because after all, it's up to the players to play the game.





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