Babs calls out Kenny, sort of!
Posted 21 April 2012 - 01:28 AM
and stated that the Preds could roll 4 lines (like we use to) and he was frustrated at not having enough to go back at them.
Well i do tend to agree with Babs on this.
For if we look at both sides additions at trade time;
The Preds added Paul Gaustad, Andrei Kostitsyn, Hal Gill and a freebie from the KHL in Alexander Radulov.
This would be a 2nd line on any team and the Russian boys could be top line on most.
Wings added Quincey and ...............and there you have the ball game folks it aint rocket science to the majority of the
fans and maybe this was Kennys last chance saloon for some of the guys to perform and im afraid most failed.
So Ken has a big job on his hands, not only does he have a unhappy fanbase but it seem's a rather miffed coach.
Will it be the old story of we like what we have and just paper over from within or will he make moves.
Options within the org for potential departee's;
One thing that seem's to never happen is to trade someone from the roster, maybe its time to be un-Redwing like.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 01:51 AM
I thought Zetterberg was fantastic in the series, but when you go through and look at our group, as a group of forwards … I like the depth on our back end, but I didn't think we had enough up front and it showed in our scoring
I thought Zetterberg's line was good in the series, I didn't think we had enough other pieces. We tried lots of combinations. I don't think we had a lot of help for Pavel.
When you look at our group now, second-round knockout second-round knockout and a first-round knockout. To me, that doesn't look like you're going in the right direction
Edited by Nev, 21 April 2012 - 01:55 AM.
Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:12 AM
Franzen - Datsuyk - Bertuzzi
Hudler - Zetter - Filppula
Cleary - Vermette - Abdelkader
Holmstrom - Helm - Eaves
similarly, you may take out Vermette and put Umberger on the second line instead while delegating Fil to center the third one.
just one trade for semi-good player and absense of injuries. This happens. I'm dissapointed though.
the worst thing is that our leaders are now one year older.
Edited by RusDRW, 21 April 2012 - 06:04 AM.
Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:08 AM
Which, to be fair, is kind of what I'd expect after a showing like this.
But, well, yeah.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:27 AM
To be fair, I thought Babs looked like he had givin up for most of the game. He looked like the game couldn't get over quick enough. The Wings have a lot of good forwards but they do not have enough great forwards that can win you the game. Even with career numbers, Flip is not good enough and was a no show come playoffs. Mule only plays when he wants. Hudler had a good year and looked like he was trying against the Preds but his lack of size really showed and unless you can pair him with a couple of power forwards he can go else where. The bottom six with the exception of Helm, I don't care if any of them are back. heir job is to check the hell out of the Preds top d-men and chip in offense. Didn't happen.
A buddy of mine got a good look at Babs at some point after the game. He said he looked like a man who has just about given up.
Which, to be fair, is kind of what I'd expect after a showing like this.
But, well, yeah.
I agree with Babs. Through loyalty this team has players on it that shouldn't be. I would like to see no less then 5 roster changes.
Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:34 AM
Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:04 AM
That smell might be friction at the top.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:09 AM
And I agree I was excited for 3:48 too, once Helm was done we were done. You cannot beat Nash without guys like Helm/Eaves combo.
Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:10 AM
As Red Crazy says five changes could see us going back in the right direction.
Parise and and a D-man of the ilk of Suter/Weber who goes about his job quietly and efficiently without feeling the need to tear about being a banger would compliment our existing lines (easier to say than actually achieve I know!). I haven't really been too impressed with Kindl's performances when I have seen him in comparison to Smith but one of those guys being given a chance along with Nyquist getting more ice time next year could work well with the salary cap in mind.
It's going to be a really interesting off season. Lets hope Holland has the inclination to make some real changes. If not I'll still be up at 3 in the morning cheering them on though.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:25 AM
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:30 AM
I think the experiment involving hoping players play above their normal skill levels is over. A team full of role players, most very good in their own right, just doesn't do anything if they can't score consistently.
I fully expect a strong faceoff specialist and a top line scorer to join the team in the summer. There are a lot of possible scenarios, but we could end up seeing something like this:
I doubt Flip would be on the 3rd line, but that could potentially be a Cup winning forward corps right there.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:34 AM
If you inject more youth from GR, you get more speed, grit, and willingness to advance further in the Playoffs. That's why I hope to see more of Smith, Nyquist, and others next season.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:36 AM
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Edited by RusDRW, 21 April 2012 - 07:50 AM.
Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:40 AM
Do you think it comes down to the "hunger" for the cup? The majority of this roster won it in 08. I've always wondered if some players think "Well I've already won the cup, let's play mediocre so I can go home and play golf early this summer."
I agree with this statement in addition to the fact that some of our players were also signed to long term contracts. Winning the cup then getting multi-million multi-year deals leads to complacency. What more do some of these players have left to accomplish? Shorter term deals 2-3yrs maybe 4 at the most would be more ideal and keep players responsible during the duration of their contract. This year this team with the exception of Zetterberg/Dats (imo) looked deflated and uninspired to play playoff hockey. Both players are left on lines with no help from their teamates they work their asses off and then have no options for passes or scoring chances.
As far as Babs I don't know what he could have done. I have to wonder though because I've always thought of him as getting his team to play "hard nose" hockey. Crashing the net and getting the so called "garbage goals". Perhaps knowing he was unable to get get his players to go to the net he opted to play the "Dave Lewis" play shooting from the outside with hopes of getting Holland to make some changes to our flawed system. I have to wonder why players weren't going to the net. Where they never told to? Or was it simply that they made a concious decision not to? I remember someone in another forum mentioning the fact this was oilers/ducks all over again high shot totals but no real scoring chances. Which they should have learned their lesson from that goalies are too good these days to shoot the majority of your shots from the blueline or outside the circles compounded with the fact that no one is going to the net.
There definatly needs to be changes.
Edited by fixxxer, 21 April 2012 - 08:46 AM.
Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:00 AM
Our effort for whatever reason was not there for a lot of the season...during our home streak we got some bounces and had some jump....after injuries we never meshed again and chose to floAt.
If we have Heelmer for this series we win or a least we are still plAying, i strongly believe that. He alone sparks this team with his heart!
We need a few more peices and we will be a cup contender next yeAr.
Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:02 AM
Babs has been simmering since the trade deadline. He wasn't happy with what we added, he'd repeatedly said this was our best team since 08/09 (and it was before the injuries). He's made more references to the lack of size/toughness on the team than ever before. Now he's saying Nashville has 3 Franchise players and we don't, that they had better forward depth....
He's actually been upset since last summer at the draft, I believe. When SJ got Burns I think he said some stuff implying that our rivals got significantly better and we didn't do anything.
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