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#21 Doc Holliday

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:10 PM

I liked that I got negged for saying that the blame shouldn't be dumped on just one person, that everyone involved played a part in us getting bounced out in the first round. I wasn't aware that was verboten around these parts.


How many times are you going to complain about getting negged?

As someone who has been here since the rep system was put in place, you should know how meaningless it is.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:12 PM

The whole team.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:53 PM

I blame our loss on Dabura's return to LGW.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:00 PM

How many times are you going to complain about getting negged?

As someone who has been here since the rep system was put in place, you should know how meaningless it is.


No kidding. I wish they'd just get rid of it again so that people would stop getting bent out of shape about it.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:07 PM

NONE OF THE ABOVE.

add the selection "The Preds" thats whose to blame. they beat us. they out played us. end of story.


This is the best post on this thread. We all know that the Wings lacked depth in the top six, we all know that the bottom six (because of injuries) wasn't too good. We all would have liked to see some moves at the deadline, but obviously the market was total s***. But at the end of the day we got beat by a really good hockey team with an unbelievable goaltender. Did we underperform? Sure. Would the addition of a Guastad, Moen, or Ruutu have been any sort of a guarantee against a real good Nashville team? Nope. Here's to retooling and coming out strong next season, and here's to the Tigers, who seem to have no problem landing the big fish (Fielder) and the little fish (Fister) needed to make a run. I STILLf****** LOVE DETROIT SPORTS!

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:08 PM

Wow! 46-0 Holland. That is just BS. I personally didn't vote because the poll only had two options, neither one correct. How is it then that not one person here thinks out of the two guys, Babcock was more to blame? What was Holland supposed to do? The market was what it was and it was clear that you had to overpay in order to get certain guys. Holland already overpaid once by trading our first round pick for Q but to me that wasn't that bad of a move. Our D is definitely better with Q in the lineup over Kindl.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:08 PM

How many times are you going to complain about getting negged?

As someone who has been here since the rep system was put in place, you should know how meaningless it is.


Agree. I once got negged just because I said Crosby is a better leader than Yzerman.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:10 PM

But the teams that got some of those players are going to go farther in the playoffs than we have... I'm not sure if you're aware, but you can't win the cup being beaten in the first round.


You say this as if obtaining players would have guaranteed success. Take Vancouver: they were the most active at the deadline, and they're likely going to lose to an 8th seed. The Sharks acquired two players and are on the verge of elimination also. The Rangers acquired John Scott, who played only six games for the Rangers during the regular season and has been a healthy scratch thus far in the playoffs. The Senators acquired Matt Gilroy, who has played two of four games in the postseason and has had no impact. The Blackhawks, who acquired Oduya, are on the verge of elimination. The Devils acquired Zidlicky for a substantial price, and thus far he has about as much a positive impact as Quincey has (funny how people forget that Holland DID make a trade). In sum, of the teams that made moves, only Nashville and Boston are having marked success. Nashville was knowingly going for broke (for obvious reasons), and Boston's moves were minor.

Your hypothesis that "trade deadline moves = success" is incorrect.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:18 PM

Holland completely. Theres more to it than this but ill keep it simple:

Before the deadline we were 3-1 against Nashville with 2 of those wins being 1 sided 4-1 drubbings.

After the deadline we were 1-6 against Nashville.

Our bottom 6 lacked the size/speed/grit to actually wear down the other teams defense and our top 6 really could have used another weapon to give Dats/Zett some support. They both had the puck on their sticks allot and tried to make plays but nobody could provide and option. Paul Gaustad IMO could have done wonders for this team instead of Kyle "footsteps" Quincey whodouble clutches the puck everytime he thinks a hits coming.

CBA runs until September right? So that means the cap is projected to reach 69-72 million. He better get his hat in the ring with some of the other top bidders for a few keys peices - our core can still win, but they need some support. This leagues getting fuller and fuller of NHL ready young talent every year and Holland needs to realize that.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:18 PM

There were only two choices so I went with Holland. I do think that there are a lot more reasons then that though but he is the builder and hands out the contracts. He has made some great deals but he has also made some very bad contact choices (Mule) that will not be easy to sweep under the carpet. All I know is Kenny will have to make some moves and cut some ties in order to make this team a top contender once again. Babcock in the presser said what the problem is so the ball is in Kenny's court. He has the money and has the cap room. No excuses Mr.Holland.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:21 PM

What irks most people is that we just lost (handily) to the team that was the most aggressive on deadline and appears to be having success. Especially considering the rumors linking Gaustad to Detroit for weeks before the deadline only have have him he a faceoff monster and provide some timely offensive production for them as well. If our first went for Gaustad and Smith took our 6th or 7th spot Im not saying it would have solved all our problems - but it certainly would have helped.f****** hindsight always being 20/20 ... I hate that

You say this as if obtaining players would have guaranteed success. Take Vancouver: they were the most active at the deadline, and they're likely going to lose to an 8th seed. The Sharks acquired two players and are on the verge of elimination also. The Rangers acquired John Scott, who played only six games for the Rangers during the regular season and has been a healthy scratch thus far in the playoffs. The Senators acquired Matt Gilroy, who has played two of four games in the postseason and has had no impact. The Blackhawks, who acquired Oduya, are on the verge of elimination. The Devils acquired Zidlicky for a substantial price, and thus far he has about as much a positive impact as Quincey has (funny how people forget that Holland DID make a trade). In sum, of the teams that made moves, only Nashville and Boston are having marked success. Nashville was knowingly going for broke (for obvious reasons), and Boston's moves were minor.

Your hypothesis that "trade deadline moves = success" is incorrect.



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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:25 PM

I blame the guys on the ice in red and white.


I'm with this guy. The players needed to be better, they did not play to their potential.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:29 PM

50% Holland for bring back most of this trash, year after year, and not trying to upgrade the team, which may help in the long run getting Lids back. Because he can make many improvements saying, look this is our plan for you to go out on top. If they brought in one more hardcore vet like Iggy, Doan, Morrow, there would be even more motivation to win 1 last cup for Lids and a first cup for them.
30% Babcock, for refusing to make players be held responsible for there s***ty play and his refusal to make changes whether regular season or playoffs. Hudler at the point on the PP, ya that was a good idea.... Lets try it a good 15-20x before we finallyf****** realize that. Also letting f***s like Franzen and them play most of the series on the top line when that useless ***** refuses to cut to the center of the ice, or bitching about lack of physicality yet letting them all play with out it is his own damn fault. His late line combos, bert/dats/mule line didn't do s***, Nyquist/Homer/Emmerton line... WTF? But game 5 last 15min yeah lets finally put lines that looked good at certain points in the season or series back together, because what we did for majority of the time was oh so successful.
20% players, f*** most of you, excluding: Dats/Lids/Z/Nyquist/Helm

Wow! 46-0 Holland. That is just BS. I personally didn't vote because the poll only had two options, neither one correct. How is it then that not one person here thinks out of the two guys, Babcock was more to blame? What was Holland supposed to do? The market was what it was and it was clear that you had to overpay in order to get certain guys. Holland already overpaid once by trading our first round pick for Q but to me that wasn't that bad of a move. Our D is definitely better with Q in the lineup over Kindl.

Because teams are allowed to make moves before the season starts and even up to the point of the trade deadline

Edited by ben_usmc, 21 April 2012 - 09:27 PM.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:52 PM

there's plenty of places to point the blame, but at the end of the day...the team just sucked in the post season. for the most part jimmy looked good (with several exceptions) but damn...the "defense" should have tried helping him out once in a while. line passes were sloppy, and the wings just aren't agressive enough. we need younger guys who are bigger and meaner
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:57 PM

Holland could solve some issues last offseason.Scoring winger by signing Ryder,physical bottom liner/fighter/face off specialist with Konopka ,but can't also deny Ian White was a very good signing

Can't blame him for not be more active at the deadline,cause the price for every single player was a way too high.
People were upset with his trade for Quincey,so probable would act the same if he shopped for Gaustad

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:21 PM

How many times are you going to complain about getting negged?


As many times as I damn well want. Just like I'll complain about the weather if I want to, or the fact Old Navy didn't have the flip-flops I wanted in my size when I went shopping today. If you don't like what I have to say, you can either scroll pasts my posts, or put me on ignore. I won't give a f*** either way.

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#37 esteef

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:33 PM

You say this as if obtaining players would have guaranteed success. Take Vancouver: they were the most active at the deadline, and they're likely going to lose to an 8th seed. The Sharks acquired two players and are on the verge of elimination also. The Rangers acquired John Scott, who played only six games for the Rangers during the regular season and has been a healthy scratch thus far in the playoffs. The Senators acquired Matt Gilroy, who has played two of four games in the postseason and has had no impact. The Blackhawks, who acquired Oduya, are on the verge of elimination. The Devils acquired Zidlicky for a substantial price, and thus far he has about as much a positive impact as Quincey has (funny how people forget that Holland DID make a trade). In sum, of the teams that made moves, only Nashville and Boston are having marked success. Nashville was knowingly going for broke (for obvious reasons), and Boston's moves were minor.

Your hypothesis that "trade deadline moves = success" is incorrect.


Yep, that's why there is a trade deadline in the first place cause it makes no difference right? That's why most teams makes moves, for little to no return. Man, you've got it all figured out. We've damn sure seen what happens to Detroit lately when they don't make moves. Maybe Kenny should try it once in a while instead of "I like our team".

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No kidding. I wish they'd just get rid of it again so that people would stop getting bent out of shape about it.

Says one of the kings of negs. :lol:

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#38 tommingthepuck96

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:10 PM

oops wrong topic.

Edited by tommingthepuck96, 21 April 2012 - 08:23 PM.


#39 wolverine1817

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:13 PM

Agree. I once got negged just because I said Crosby is a better leader than Yzerman.

Go figure.


OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS!? Out of all the places on the internet, that happened here? omg! stop the presses!

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:24 PM

Yep, that's why there is a trade deadline in the first place cause it makes no difference right? That's why most teams makes moves, for little to no return. Man, you've got it all figured out. We've damn sure seen what happens to Detroit lately when they don't make moves. Maybe Kenny should try it once in a while instead of "I like our team".


I think you're missing my point. It has made less and less difference as parity in the league has increased, as there have been progressively less and less teams out of playoff contention at the deadline. The number of sellers this season was absurdly low, and thus so were the number of players available, and thus so were the number of trades made. Virtually nothing of significance was achieved this season at the deadline.

But thanks for your obnoxious reply. It adds to the discussion.





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