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[Norwegian Red Wing]

Norwegian, but; Cah -leh

[55fan]

Thanks, good Neighbour.

[number9]

Perhaps the good Swedish folks here could help me out. How does one pronounce Calle?

Not Swedish but I always thought it was pronounced simply Cali (Cally) (Call-eh)

[dirtydangles]

Bump. Wanted to see what you guys think at this point in the season about Jarnkrok for next season? 

 

He has:

 

GP45    G11    A24    P35    

 

in the SEL. Listed on eliteprospects as 6'0" and 176lbs. I think if he can put on 15 pounds he could be ready for the big show next season as our third line centre.

[HelmFan]

Management has called Helm the best 3rd line centre in the league.

 

If we could acquire someone good enough to bump Helm down to the 4th, we would automatically have the best bottom 6 group in the league. I'm all for that.

 

Unfortunately for Jarnkrock, it takes a lot for a Redwing to be demoted. (see Cleary) and the only rookies that make the team are guys that are out of minor league options. (Brunner is the only recent exception that I can think of)

[dirtydangles]

So Jarnkrok has to wait for Z or Dats or Fil to move on and come in as a top 6 center or nothing? People say he will pull a Zetterberg and start right up with the big club when he comes over.

[darkmanx]

Bump. Wanted to see what you guys think at this point in the season about Jarnkrok for next season? 

 

He has:

 

GP45    G11    A24    P35    

 

in the SEL. Listed on eliteprospects as 6'0" and 176lbs. I think if he can put on 15 pounds he could be ready for the big show next season as our third line centre.

 

I don't even care if he is only 176lbs (Erik Karlsson was only 170lbs last year as a defensemen). He would still do better things and be more productive than Cleary right now. I would love for the Wings to get rid of the leaving kids int he minors. Look at some of these other kids that are currently playing, Tarasenko, Galenchuck, Yakupov etc. makes me wonder when we can get some youth injection into the lineup. These are the lines I would like to see next year if we don't make any trades / signings.

 

Brunner - Z - Franzen

Flip - Datsyuk - Nyquist

Tatar - Jarnkrok - Bertuzzi

Abby - Helm - Tootoo / Eaves

 

Kronwall - Ericsson

Smith - White

Quincey - Lashoff

[HelmFan]

So Jarnkrok has to wait for Z or Dats or Fil to move on and come in as a top 6 center or nothing? People say he will pull a Zetterberg and start right up with the big club when he comes over.

 

Don't argue with me. Argue with the Redwing philosophy for the last gazillion years.

 

My point was: I hope he is that good. I want to win, and I want the best players to play. Not the ones Kenny feels loyal to. (although I do admit that Ken Hollands approach has worked for a number of years)

[dirtydangles]

Don't argue with me. Argue with the Redwing philosophy for the last gazillion years.

 

My point was: I hope he is that good. I want to win, and I want the best players to play. Not the ones Kenny feels loyal to. (although I do admit that Ken Hollands approach has worked for a number of years)

It was okay to be sentimental when you had the future of the team cemented in Z, Dats, Lids, but now we can't afford to let our young talent waste away to allow aging vets to retire in peace in the Red Wings country club locker room. holland needs to start seeing this. 

[LeftWinger]

I don't even care if he is only 176lbs (Erik Karlsson was only 170lbs last year as a defensemen). He would still do better things and be more productive than Cleary right now. I would love for the Wings to get rid of the leaving kids int he minors. Look at some of these other kids that are currently playing, Tarasenko, Galenchuck, Yakupov etc. makes me wonder when we can get some youth injection into the lineup. These are the lines I would like to see next year if we don't make any trades / signings.

 

Brunner - Z - Franzen

Flip - Datsyuk - Nyquist

Tatar - Jarnkrok - Bertuzzi

Abby - Helm - Tootoo / Eaves

 

Kronwall - Ericsson

Smith - White

Quincey - Lashoff

Yuck...

 

besides Cola is here for two years and White is a UFA this off season...I understand you are going by not signing anyone or trading for anyone, BUT this team is hot garbage and they need to trade a few commodities in order to tunr this around ALONG WITH bringing up some kids...

 

Trade Franzen, Filppula, Quincey, Emmerton and Kindl this year. Buy out Sammy/Bertuzzi next year, let Cleary, Mursak, Miller and White walk in the off season. Which kids come up all depends on what you get in return for the trades...

 

If I had my way and Anaheim/Vancouver would agree to a trade it would look like this:

 

Bobby Ryan - Datsyuk - Corey Perry

Alex Burrows - Z - Brunner

Abby - Helm - Tootoo

Eaves - Jarnkrok - Sheahan

 

Kronwall - Douglas Murray

Smith - Ericsson

Lashoff - Dekeyser

Huskins

 

then whoever makes the 13th/14th forward is up to the kids to win it...

Edited by LeftWinger, 03 February 2013 - 07:42 PM.

[Johnz96]

Calle Jarnkrok.

Currently ranked as our 5th best prospect by Hockey's Future (behind Smith, Nyquist, Tatar and Jurco). Born in '91, so 21, and old enough to be considered at this point. He's spent the last two complete seasons in the Swedish Elite League, which is at least somewhat comprable to AHL-level hockey. He's said to be a great play-making center, with outstanding speed (aka defensive ability).

And, most impressively, IMO, he was chosen for the Swedish WC team over Gustav Nyquist...who we all know deserves to be on the team next season.

What are the chances this guy comes over and becomes our third line center next season (moving Helm to a more appropriate fourth line role)?

And while we're at it, what about Tomas Tatar, who will be playing with Marian Hossa and many other high profile NHL-ers on Slovakia's WC team?

I smell a (potential) great third scoring line in Nyquist-Jarnkrok-Tatar as early as next season.

Helm on the 4th line is not more appropriate than on the 3rd.

In the 2010-11 season when we had all those injuries mid season, Helm actually got some time as 2nd line center and from Dec 29 to Feb 2 he scored 13 points in 14 games. He is more than capable of producing, given the opportunity.

[Z Winged Dangler]

 

Calle Jarnkrok.

Currently ranked as our 5th best prospect by Hockey's Future (behind Smith, Nyquist, Tatar and Jurco). Born in '91, so 21, and old enough to be considered at this point. He's spent the last two complete seasons in the Swedish Elite League, which is at least somewhat comprable to AHL-level hockey. He's said to be a great play-making center, with outstanding speed (aka defensive ability).

And, most impressively, IMO, he was chosen for the Swedish WC team over Gustav Nyquist...who we all know deserves to be on the team next season.

What are the chances this guy comes over and becomes our third line center next season (moving Helm to a more appropriate fourth line role)?

And while we're at it, what about Tomas Tatar, who will be playing with Marian Hossa and many other high profile NHL-ers on Slovakia's WC team?

I smell a (potential) great third scoring line in Nyquist-Jarnkrok-Tatar as early as next season.

 
I was asking for that line asap in numerous threads over the past while. I'm all for it.

[Barrie]

No, I think you're correct WL. As I said in another thread, if we bomb out in Free Agency and miss out on Parise, Suter, Doan etc then next season goes into rebuild mode and we might end up seeing a lot of our youngsters. But be careful what you wish for, we might also see a lot more losing.

 

Losing means better draft picks. We'll become a force again quicker then just trying to make the playoffs or do short term patch work.

 

Edit: All the top teams in the league right now rebuilt through the draft.

Edited by Barrie, 04 February 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[LeftWinger]

The only silver lining to tanking is Seth Jones...but there is a silver lining to just making the playoffs and getting the 17th or 18th pick....Ryan Pulock. 6'0 211lb Right handed defenseman...if Holland trades this 1st rounder for another Quincey or drafts another soft Euro, he is dead to me! He will need to be fired.

[Buppy]

I don't even care if he is only 176lbs (Erik Karlsson was only 170lbs last year as a defensemen). He would still do better things and be more productive than Cleary right now. I would love for the Wings to get rid of the leaving kids int he minors. Look at some of these other kids that are currently playing, Tarasenko, Galenchuck, Yakupov etc. makes me wonder when we can get some youth injection into the lineup. These are the lines I would like to see next year if we don't make any trades / signings.

 

Brunner - Z - Franzen

Flip - Datsyuk - Nyquist

Tatar - Jarnkrok - Bertuzzi

Abby - Helm - Tootoo / Eaves

 

Kronwall - Ericsson

Smith - White

Quincey - Lashoff

 

Not really a fair comparison. Guys taken 1st or 3rd overall are expected to be stars and contribute right away. Tarasenko was considered a top talent as well, likely only fell as far as he did due to the Russian factor. And that was a draft with a lot of top talent. We'll get players like that the years after we're bad enough to get picks like that.

 

I don't think "leaving kids in the minors" is as much a thing as it's made out to be. For the most part our kids stay in the minors because they're either not ready for the NHL, or not significantly better than anyone they might replace. It makes more sense to leave those players in the minors for extra depth rather than give up another player.

 

How often have we left a kid in the minors when they were actually better than someone on the roster? Helm in '08-09? Maybe Smith last year?

 

If we'd had a full training camp this year, some of the kids might have made the team. I think maybe management was hoping they would in order give us some trade options. But with the lockout it just makes more sense to stick with what we know, and use the unknowns for extra depth (which, sadly, it seems we're going to need...).

[Konnan511]

The only silver lining to tanking is Seth Jones...but there is a silver lining to just making the playoffs and getting the 17th or 18th pick....Ryan Pulock. 6'0 211lb Right handed defenseman...if Holland trades this 1st rounder for another Quincey or drafts another soft Euro, he is dead to me! He will need to be fired.

So you'd be ok with a soft Canadian? Or is it just Euros you don't like, because it seems you have a disdain for them.

[Son of a Wing]

Yuck...

 

besides Cola is here for two years and White is a UFA this off season...I understand you are going by not signing anyone or trading for anyone, BUT this team is hot garbage and they need to trade a few commodities in order to tunr this around ALONG WITH bringing up some kids...

 

Trade Franzen, Filppula, Quincey, Emmerton and Kindl this year. Buy out Sammy/Bertuzzi next year, let Cleary, Mursak, Miller and White walk in the off season. Which kids come up all depends on what you get in return for the trades...

 

If I had my way and Anaheim/Vancouver would agree to a trade it would look like this:

 

Bobby Ryan - Datsyuk - Corey Perry

Alex Burrows - Z - Brunner

Abby - Helm - Tootoo

Eaves - Jarnkrok - Sheahan

 

Kronwall - Douglas Murray

Smith - Ericsson

Lashoff - Dekeyser

Huskins

 

then whoever makes the 13th/14th forward is up to the kids to win it...

Guys you suggested to get rid of:

 

Franzen 6'3 225

Bertuzzi 6'3 230     

Samuelsson 6'2 220

Kindl 6'3 216

Quincey 6'2 210

Cleary 6'0 210

Filppula 6'0 195

Emmerton 6'0 195

 

While 5'10 193

Mursak 5'11 190

Miller 6'2 178

 

Ok so you've taken nearly every Detroit forward over 6' off the team. Probably not a step in the right direction if you ask me.

 

1 proven sizable forward remaining: Abdelkader. That's Scary.

 

Oh but you exchanged Ryan, Perry and Burrows in a "lets trade our scraps, UFAs and whipping boys for your elite franchise/heart and soul players" type trades. lol

[darkmanx]

Not really a fair comparison. Guys taken 1st or 3rd overall are expected to be stars and contribute right away. Tarasenko was considered a top talent as well, likely only fell as far as he did due to the Russian factor. And that was a draft with a lot of top talent. We'll get players like that the years after we're bad enough to get picks like that.

 

I don't think "leaving kids in the minors" is as much a thing as it's made out to be. For the most part our kids stay in the minors because they're either not ready for the NHL, or not significantly better than anyone they might replace. It makes more sense to leave those players in the minors for extra depth rather than give up another player.

 

How often have we left a kid in the minors when they were actually better than someone on the roster? Helm in '08-09? Maybe Smith last year?

 

If we'd had a full training camp this year, some of the kids might have made the team. I think maybe management was hoping they would in order give us some trade options. But with the lockout it just makes more sense to stick with what we know, and use the unknowns for extra depth (which, sadly, it seems we're going to need...).

 

This year about everyone in the Minors is better than Cleary, and Quincey. Why are we wasting roster spots for players like them, when you have kids that can play equal and provide energy while gaining experience at the same time. The problem is Detroit is going to have to start calling up the kids because this team isn't deep anymore, now they have reasons to call them up but they are still not doing it. I know they just called up Tatar but I believe it won't be long until he is sent back down even if he plays better than Cleary.

[Jocke]

Pronounciation: Press listen (the speaker symbol): http://translate.goo...m/#en/en/kah-le

 

That's close at least.

Edited by Jocke, 05 February 2013 - 08:36 AM.

[Johnz96]

This year about everyone in the Minors is better than Cleary, and Quincey. Why are we wasting roster spots for players like them, when you have kids that can play equal and provide energy while gaining experience at the same time. The problem is Detroit is going to have to start calling up the kids because this team isn't deep anymore, now they have reasons to call them up but they are still not doing it. I know they just called up Tatar but I believe it won't be long until he is sent back down even if he plays better than Cleary.

I'm hoping Cleary just needs to get his strength back in the leg he had surgery on but I think Quincey has been solid after the first 2 games.