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[The Axe]

 
Some folks on these forums, who are oblivious to the fact that the Wings sytem is incredibly talent rich, see three relatively unknown names and automatically assume they can't compete in today's NHL. People should not let the manner in which the Wings handle their prospects cloud their vision regarding how talented they truly are. Fact is, Players like Nyquist, Tatar, Anderson, Sheahan and even Ferraro would likely be playing on other NHL clubs right now.
 
A third line of Tatar - Jarnkrok - Nyquist would be intriguing if not for their lack of size/NHL experience. Though I bet they'd outskill most third lines in the NHL today, especially ours.

The old overripen/waivers argument. Im sure Babcock is just holding true superstars down so we can all watch Cleary, Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, and Eaves score a point every 10 games. Gimme a break. If these guys were good, theyd be on the team by 20-22 years old. Our farm system is good on D, but littered with small Euros.

[cr00d]

The old overripen/waivers argument. Im sure Babcock is just holding true superstars down so we can all watch Cleary, Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, and Eaves score a point every 10 games. Gimme a break. If these guys were good, theyd be on the team by 20-22 years old. Our farm system is good on D, but littered with small Euros.

 

It is, and has been the way management has handled it's prospects, weather you believe it or not. Players like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Filppula, Howard, Smith, etc... have all been held back and allowed to develop before reaching the NHL. The difference now is, our team is no where near as deep as it was then, and we could actually use these players in our lineup now.

 

We get that you like 6'4 - 235lbs NA power forwards who score 35+ goals a year; but have a look at NHL team depth charts, that type of player doesn't grow on trees. It would also be nice to get the chance to draft and develop such a player, unfortunately, once it comes time for the wings to select a player in the draft, those players are already long gone.

[ogreslayer]

It is, and has been the way management has handled it's prospects, weather you believe it or not. Players like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Filppula, Howard, Smith, etc... have all been held back and allowed to develop before reaching the NHL. The difference now is, our team is no where near as deep as it was then, and we could actually use these players in our lineup now.

 

We get that you like 6'4 - 235lbs NA power forwards who score 35+ goals a year; but have a look at NHL team depth charts, that type of player doesn't grow on trees. It would also be nice to get the chance to draft and develop such a player, unfortunately, once it comes time for the wings to select a player in the draft, those players are already long gone.

 

Plus I think someone needs to take a look at the current makeup of the Wings' prospect pipeline.  Not many sub 6' Europeans left any more.  Just Nyquist, Tatar, Jarnkrok, & Pulkkinen really as far as forward prospects go & Almquist on D.  

[Drake_Marcus]

The old overripen/waivers argument. Im sure Babcock is just holding true superstars down so we can all watch Cleary, Bertuzzi, Abdelkader, and Eaves score a point every 10 games. Gimme a break. If these guys were good, theyd be on the team by 20-22 years old. Our farm system is good on D, but littered with small Euros.

 

I'm currently supervising some undergraduate students in this lab

 

Forwards: (average height is 6' 1.1", 3 sub-6' players, 6 players at or above 6'2; includes 5 Canadians, 8 Europeans)

Calle Jarnkrok (5'11 Sweden)

Tomas Tatar (5'10 Slovakia)

Riley Sheahan (6'2 Canada)

Tomas Jurco (6'2 Slovakia)

Landon Ferraro (6'0 Canada)
Joakim Andersson (6'2 Sweden)

Teemu Pulkkinen (5'11 Finland)
Martin Frk (6'0 Czech Republic)

Andreas Athanasiou (6'0 Canada)

Marek Tvrdon (6'2 Slovakia)

Alan Quine (6'0 Canada)

Louis-Marc Aubry (6'4 Canada)

Ramus Bodin (6'6 Sweden)

 

Defensemen: (average height is 6'1.3", 1 sub-6' player, 4 players 6'2 or taller; 4 Canada/USA, 3 Europeans)

Ryan Sproul (6'3 Canada)

Xavier Ouellet (6'0 Canada)
Mattias Backman (6'2 Sweden)

Brian Lashoff (6'3 USA)

Alexei Marchenko (6'2 Russia)
Adam Almquist (5'11 Sweden)

Nick Jensen (6'0 USA)

 

Goaltenders: (average height: 6'1.7", 2 Canada/USA, 1 European)

Petr Mrazek  (6'1 Czech Republic) 

Jake Paterson (6'2 Canada)

Tom McCollum (6'2 USA)

 

So, in summary:

Most common nationality: Canada

Short players (<6'): 3

Tall players (>=6'2): 12

Total players: 23

 

In other words: half are at least 6'2 and the most common nationality is Canadian...  Q.E.D.

[number9]

Filppula - Datsyuk - Franzen

Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Brunner

Cleary - Helm - Sammy

Miller - Abby - Tootoo
Eaves

Emmerton

Mursak

Nyquist

Tatar

Andersson

 

Unless that forward dump for a D-man comes, Jarnkrok will not be making the lineup next season. They'll have Chelly get him huge while he's in GR for a season.

[cr00d]

For anyone who was wondering about Jarnkrok coming over to play in NA since his SEL season has ended, he stated he will be coming to Detroit for 5-6 days to get to know the organization. He will not play for GR or DET, rather, he is now focussing on making the Swedish World Championships team.

 

as per @DRWProspects feed on twitter

 

edit: spelling

Edited by cr00d, 20 March 2013 - 10:25 AM.

[dat's sick]

For anyone who was wondering about Jarnkrok coming over to play in NA since his SEL season has ended, he stated he will be coming to Detroit for 5-6 days to get to know the organization. He will not play for GR or DET, rather, he is now focussing on making the Swedish World Championships team.

 

as per @DRWProspects feed on twitter

 

edit: spelling

Came here to post this. Comes from Hakan Andersson, via Aftonbladet.se. 

 

Said he'll come over, maybe do a practice or two with the team, watch the home games this weekend, but will focus on the WHC so it seems unlikely he'll play for either the Wings or GR this season. 

 

Looking forward to seeing what this guy looks like in camp later this year... he needs to put on some more muscle over the summer for sure, but he's got all the tools otherwise. Disappointing playoffs for him, 0 points in a 4-0 sweep, but their team was completely outmatched in every way. He had a good regular season so I hope he can make the Swedish WHC team and have a good tournament. 

[AtomicPunk]

Maybe once we get rid of some of this dead weight and bad contracts there will be roster room. Until then, no.