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#21 frankgrimes

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 05:12 AM

Just make a floor of 30.000.000 so the small teams can have their league minimum budget and the max cap 75.000.000 so big teams can spend more but still only a fixed amount should be fair for everyone?

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:09 AM

I seriously doubt it, he's a borderline 2nd-3rd line player using him on the first line won't make him better, it'll make the first line worse.

Cleary scores 20 next season...I would bet good money on that
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:15 AM

Let me try my hand at it...

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.250m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($3.000m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Darren Helm ($1.750m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.700m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($4.250m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,408,712; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $891,288

Nyquist and Franzen can switch places depending on whether Franzen is playing with an ounce of effort (so I'm assuming they'll play 50/50 on each line).


I think this is [mostly] ideal for anyone with hopes for this Summer. Personally, I'd like an upgrade behind Jimmy. I know Joey Mac has been good, but I always feel like the wheels are about to fall off. For sentimentality sake I'd love to keep Abdelkader, but if I'm completely objective – Konopka seems like a major upgrade (though I am admittedly unfamiliar with him).

EDIT: I also agree that Nyquist is capable of being a difference-maker on this team on a full time basis. Here is a thought that I just had while watching Flyers / Devils highlights, though. Didn't Parise say that his biggest goal is to be on a cup contender? What if the Devils advance and he begins to see New Jersey in a different light?

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:00 AM

He was tied for 1st on the team in playoff goals scored and in playoff powerplay goals... you're a year late bro.


Wow, he had two playoff points and was invisible for 99% of the time.

Bring him back for next year :clap:

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:05 AM

Personally, I'm of the opinion that it's irrelevent whether Jersey wins the cup or not (for Parise's potential departure). I think that even if the Devils were to win this year that the team's financial instability casts a significant shadow of doubt on the future. Not in terms of whether or not the Devils would fork over the money to sign Parise today but more so in terms of if they will be able to ice a competitive, money spending team in the future (throughout Parise's tenure with the team moving forward).

I think the Devils got in bed with Kovalchuk and I just dont see a team who lost in the neighbourhood of $20M being able to sign another monster contract while telling it's players that they will spend to stay contenders for years to come.

Wow, he had two playoff points and was invisible for 99% of the time.

Bring him back for next year :clap:

That's blind hatred right there...or at least seems to be. Say what you will about Hudler but he earned his money this year and came through with goals at some tough times.

I personally would rather see the Wings throw ~$3M to some one like David Jones while letting Hudler walk but it's not because he stunk.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:09 AM

That's blind hatred right there...


In what sense? Just because I say his playoff performance shouldn't immediately earn him a spot on next seasons roster, especially given the salary he'll be demanding?

He's a sniper who didn't show up as one in the playoffs. Both his playoff goals were scored in front of the net. If we want someone to do that we might as well bring back Holmstrom at a fraction of the cost and spend the cap money on a sniper that could actually turn up as one come post season.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:17 AM

In what sense? Just because I say his playoff performance shouldn't immediately earn him a spot on next seasons roster, especially given the salary he'll be demanding?

He's a sniper who didn't show up as one in the playoffs. Both his playoff goals were scored in front of the net. If we want someone to do that we might as well bring back Holmstrom at a fraction of the cost and spend the cap money on a sniper that could actually turn up as one come post season.

First off, I agreed in saying I didn't think Hudler should come back.

Secondly, Jiri Hudler is not a sniper - never has been and never will be one. He has always been a pass first player who has a pretty solid shot. He scored his goals in the playoffs the exact same way he scored the bulk of his regular season goals. He routinely set up in front of the net all season long.

To me, when people make posts like yours above I honestly wonder if we were watching the same team all year. I'm not trying to insult you but I really don't understand your point of view. When i read posts like that it comes across, to me, as though you just hate him so badly that you just flat out don't want him back on the Wings next year so you look to chastise his game in any fashion you can. Whether that is in fact what you are doing or not, i dont know. But that's the way it comes across.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:37 AM

First off, I agreed in saying I didn't think Hudler should come back.

Secondly, Jiri Hudler is not a sniper - never has been and never will be one. He has always been a pass first player who has a pretty solid shot. He scored his goals in the playoffs the exact same way he scored the bulk of his regular season goals. He routinely set up in front of the net all season long.

To me, when people make posts like yours above I honestly wonder if we were watching the same team all year. I'm not trying to insult you but I really don't understand your point of view. When i read posts like that it comes across, to me, as though you just hate him so badly that you just flat out don't want him back on the Wings next year so you look to chastise his game in any fashion you can. Whether that is in fact what you are doing or not, i dont know. But that's the way it comes across.


Each to their own :thumbup: As to being a sniper or not, I'm pretty sure he's got a pretty high shooting %. Just checked and its 19.7%, ranked 25th in the league. That's sniper territory, surely?

There are many reasons I wouldn't choose to bring back Hudler. He's just not the type of hockey player I would have on my roster, given his salary and physical and defensive shortcomings.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:46 AM

Each to their own :thumbup: As to being a sniper or not, I'm pretty sure he's got a pretty high shooting %. Just checked and its 19.7%, ranked 25th in the league. That's sniper territory, surely?

There are many reasons I wouldn't choose to bring back Hudler. He's just not the type of hockey player I would have on my roster, given his salary and physical and defensive shortcomings.

If you define a sniper purely based on his shooting percentage then so be it. To me, being a sniper is about the areas of the ice you frequent, the shoot first or pass first mentality you have and the types of goals you score. Semin is a sniper (despite his lower goal output this year). Hudler is a pass first player who happened to have a high shooting percentage this year. To me, that doesnt make him a sniper.

Matthieu Perrault (WSH) had a 26.7 SH% on 16 goals. But I definitely do not consider him a sniper. Just take a look at all the top goal scorers in the league this season. Some would be classified as snipers and others as goal scorers (meaning how they schore their goals). But one thing you'll notice is not many of them had really high shooting percentages.

Also, as I noted in my original post I agree that I would prefer a different type of player to take Hudler's spot this year. I mentioned a guy like David Jones because he is big, skates well, is right handed and scores on par (approximately - this year a handful less and last year he potted 27) with Hudler. He is also priced about where Hudler was/is/will be.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 05:57 PM

Wow, he had two playoff points and was invisible for 99% of the time.

Bring him back for next year :clap:


Great logic! We should trade everyone in that case since relative performance doesn't matter now and the entire team failed to advance.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 06:08 PM

He's a sniper who didn't show up as one in the playoffs. Both his playoff goals were scored in front of the net. If we want someone to do that we might as well bring back Holmstrom at a fraction of the cost and spend the cap money on a sniper that could actually turn up as one come post season.


:lol: Wait a sec... your argument is that while Hudler was tied for the most goals scored on the team in the playoffs, he didn't "show up" as a goal scorer because they were net-front goals (see: playoff goals).

So there's three options:
1) In your mind two dirty goals is worth less than two 'sniped' goals
2) You hate Hudler on a fundamental level and have spit on him at every opertunity for his entire career here because he's small and not physical.
3) He banged your Mom and you hate him because of that (which is totally fair, I can finally understand your hate for him if this is true).

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:45 PM

Unless it stops us from making a trade or signing a FA, I'm all for bring back Hudler at $3m/year for a few more years. He's a 20 goal/25-30 assist guy, all said and done. At that rate he's a giant steal. Anything south of $3.5m/yr I'm in.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:55 PM

No more Hudler. Please.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:30 AM

Suter or Parise would be a beauty and a half. I'm could go wither way on Hudler. Stays or peaces out, I'm indifferent about it. Can't say he didn't have a nice regular season and an above average (for the Wings) playoff series. But I'll throw another (unrealistic) option out there.

I would gladly give up a couple RFA compensation picks for Avs center Ryan O'Reilly. Sadly, COL probably is 99.9% sure they have a stud on their hands. Helm moved down to the 4th line between Miller and Eaves would be a machine once again. May mean Abbs is shown the door, but O'Reilly is younger by a couple, the same size, and uses that size to his advantage on a more consistent basis already.

Fun to dream about...

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 02:52 AM

Suter or Parise would be a beauty and a half. I'm could go wither way on Hudler. Stays or peaces out, I'm indifferent about it. Can't say he didn't have a nice regular season and an above average (for the Wings) playoff series. But I'll throw another (unrealistic) option out there.

I would gladly give up a couple RFA compensation picks for Avs center Ryan O'Reilly. Sadly, COL probably is 99.9% sure they have a stud on their hands. Helm moved down to the 4th line between Miller and Eaves would be a machine once again. May mean Abbs is shown the door, but O'Reilly is younger by a couple, the same size, and uses that size to his advantage on a more consistent basis already.

Fun to dream about...


Is your name Adrian Dater? Hehe. He said the same thing about O'Reilly.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 08:53 AM

Parise should be priority number one, Suter at number two. And I think Konopka should be three. He wins faceoffs and smashes faces, good combo.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:36 AM

Does anyone think a Trade involving Franzen may be in the works??? Somehow I think there is, his comments after the Nashville series along with some tensions in the club house with Babs shows me that there is something going on there. I would not shed one tear if Franzen was gone! Sorry Guys/Gals.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:54 PM

Does anyone think a Trade involving Franzen may be in the works???


Doubt it.

Thing is, Franzen is our one legitimate power-forward. And he's not a legitimate power-forward. So, unless we're getting a Corey Perry or a Rick Nash in return and/or inking Dustin Penner, I don't see it happening.

And, of course, there's his contract....

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 04:22 PM

I can understand thinking Franzen's contract is long, but its not like he's overpaid. His cap hit is actually quite good considering the production you get for it.

There is a long list of forwards who get paid more than him who produced a lot less than his 56 pts.

Brooks Laich (41), Ryan Kesler (49) David Booth (30), Ville Leino (25), Derek Roy (44), Drew Stafford (50), Brad Boyes (23), Mike Cammalleri (41), Jordan Staal (50), MIke RIchards (44), Jeff Carter (34), Dustin Penner (17), Brian Rolston (24), Nathan Horton (32), Tim Connelly (36), Ryan Callahan (54), Brandon Dubinsky (34), Scott Gomez (11), Tomas Plekanec (52), Jason Blake (12), Ryan Smyth (46), Shawn Horcoff (34), Ryan Malone (48), Vinny Lecavalier (49), David Backes (54), Shayne Doan (50), Damon Langkow (30), Dany Heatley (53), Mikka Koivu (44), David Legwand (53), Mike Fisher (51), Andrew Ladd (50), Nik Antropov (35), Paul Stastny (53), and Brendan Morrow (26)

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 05:09 PM

I'm gonna take a page out of Franzen's notebook (ironically enough) and say the regular season really doesn't mean much to me.

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