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#21 Drake_Marcus

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 03:57 PM

IN NET - Officially, Holland wants to improve our goalie tandem - specifically, at the backup position (i.e. bye, Joey).

ON D - Holland should not and will not put a cap on Nick's contract. Ryan Suter, Dennis Wideman, Matt Carle - any one of them would be :thumbup: . Smith's a full-time Wing out of training camp.

IN GENERAL Don't expect any trades this summer. Babs basically said as much. And, by now, don't we know as much?

UP FRONT - Top 6 - We need a goal-scorer and a legitimate power-forward. Re: the latter, Franzen is probably that guy, unfortunately. Ryan Smyth kind of interests me, though I don't think he'd want to sign here. Dustin Penner is 6'4 but he doesn't properly utilize his frame, and he's an underachiever - which makes him the prototypical Red Wings power-forward. So I can see him coming here. Then again, the Kings may soon be the Cup champs....

Re: the former (the goal-scorer), we need Zach Parise.

Bottom 6 - We need a couple of big, tough, gritty, hard-working, blue-collar types. Ideally, one of these guys is a center, as we need a solid fourth-line pivot. (Babs wants Helm centering the third line.) I like Brandon Prust and, for the fourth-line center slot, Chris Kelly, Jason Arnott, or Zenon Konopka.

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I disagree about trades being out of the question-- it all depends on how Holland does on July 1st. If he strikes out we're almost guaranteed he will look very hard for trade possibilities.

I have zero interest in Penner unless he's cheap. He comes with huge questions about his commitment on and off the ice (especially in terms of whether he is NHL-fit).

Odds are, we don't get either of them, and Franzen keeps his spot in the top 6, and we continue to misguidedly count on him to be That Guy for us - the big raging power-forward that the best shutdown players in the league absolutely hate to play against. Not that I think Smyth or Penner would be significantly better, mind you.

As for the age issue - we're a bit too old, I suppose. But none of our older players are going to be traded, so we're going to have to get younger by way of FAs and prospects. Really, though - age isn't one of our key worries. We need scoring. We need to get bigger, tougher, stronger, meaner, harder to play against. We need our D to not spot the opposition two goals every game in the playoffs....


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 07:44 PM

I disagree about trades being out of the question-- it all depends on how Holland does on July 1st. If he strikes out we're almost guaranteed he will look very hard for trade possibilities.


I actually said the same thing in another thread (that failing in the FA hunt --> trades). But what I said in this thread is, I think, pretty fair. Don't expect any trades (at least, not any major ones), because there likely won't be any - though the door is, of course, open. (And believe me, there are a few guys I'd more than love to see Holland deal for.)

I keep putting Penner's name out there because, well, he feels like a Holland reclamation project. Frankly, I think he'd be a mistake with that kind of price tag. But, to me, he screams Robert Lang/Johan Franzen/Todd Bertuzzi.

Smyth - like Penner, not calling for Holland to sign him. I'm not a huge Smyth fan (I know a few folks here are). But we need to get bigger, tougher, meaner, gritter, etc. - and Holland doesn't really seem to understand what that really means. So I could maybe see Smyth coming here.

You and I are pretty much of the same mind here, I think.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 08:21 PM

Get Parise, then, trade for Shanny, er, uh, Nash!!!

What is it we are missing? A big, strong, nasty, scoring power forward. Get Nash, and then worry about the rest. Might even bring out the best in Mule. Who knows?

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:23 PM

Get Parise, then, trade for Shanny, er, uh, Nash!!!

What is it we are missing? A big, strong, nasty, scoring power forward. Get Nash, and then worry about the rest. Might even bring out the best in Mule. Who knows?


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:23 AM

First of all, Howdy fellow Wingnuts! Now that that is out of the way, I am going to take a risk. I am going to disagree with a HOF in Jimmy D. It is time for the Wings to make major changes. So here are my thoughts.

1. The Wings should be thinking 10 new players over the next 2 off seasons. I understand that our overall team age is mid pack, but our stars and leaders are all 30+. Add in all the extra games they have played in the playoffs, most of them need to be considered 2 years older than the calender says they are. If you look at our core group: Datsyk, Z, Burt, franzen, Fillpula, Cleary, Hommer, Lidstrom, Stuart, and Kronwall, they are all over 30, play fewer games each year due to injuries, and have declining numbers. Some of these guys are UFA's and should walk. Others are already to old to have much trade value. Others are on the edge of losing value.

2. I would look to change out 5 this off season and 5 next year. Good news is, we have money to spend. Most would agree we need to get bigger, faster, younger, and grittyer. No not one demensional fighters, but guys that check and work the boards. If they also drop the gloves from time to time, great! But that is not the priority.

3. Let's start with G. We are set with Howard and if Mac is healthy, we are good at the backup position. No real need to spend any money here.

4. Defense. Currently we have the following under contract: Kronwall, Erickson, Kindl, White, Quincy, and Smith. That is 6. But there are some good UFA Dmen available, and let's not forget the captain. if Nick wants to return, GREAT! But not at more than 3 million per year. There are of course a couple UFA's that we should take a strong run at. Everyone know Suter. He is a 27 year old American Dman, and very good at both end of the ice. Throw him a 7 year, 42 million offer. But there is another guy that we shoudl also strongly consider: Carle with the Flyers. he is also a 27 year old American Dman. Not quite as good on the D end, but better than Suter on O. Might-key word-might be cheaper. I would offer and make a play for both. But why? That makes 9 on the D if Nick comes back??? true. But it gives us the option of sending Smith back to the minors for one more year to over rippen, and then makes some D avilable to trade.
I would love to see a D that lined up like this:
Lidstrom-White
Suter-Carle
Erikson-Quincy
Kindl
Smith in the minors to replace Nicky next season
Kronwall as trade bait.

5. Forwards. This is the area that we need to do the most work. we need to add 3+ new forwards this year and another 3-5 next year. We have to get bigger, faster, stronger, and tougher. We have plenty of good young forwards for the 3rd and 4th lines, plus the 2 spare forwards. Emmerton, Abdelkater, Muarsk, Helm, Miller, Eaves-if healthy, Sheahan, Cleary-he really belongs in one of these 2 lines, plus any number of other guys from GR. all have speed, most are young and cheap. If we decide to add another via FA, I am a fan of Dave Jones with Colorado. he has good size: 6-2/210, young 27 IIRC, and plays both ways. He is a bigger younger faster and healthier version of Cleary. Now for the harder part. The top 2 lines. This is where the problems start. this is where the "big names" are, the big money, and the fan fav's are found. Let's start with Burtuzzi. Big, old, declining production, and signed. has almost 0 trade value. Franzen-big, fast, strong, signed long term, and completely disappears for long stretches of the season. He is cap friendly and does have some trde value. Datsyk. One of the best in the game. has great trade value, but moving him might cause riots in the streets. Long story short......hold onto all 3 for at least 1 more season. They are the top line, at least on paper. That brings us to the second line. As of today it is Zetterberg, Nyquist, and Filppula. That group has some talent. but it is very small. This is were i look to make at least 2 moves. Just thinking out loud...... What would it take to get Staal from the pens? kronwall and...... How much would it take to get van Reimsdyk from the Flyers? Filppula and........ or How much to get Pacioretty from the Habs? Or a Ryan from the Ducks? Point is, now we have some pieces we can trade with and get bigger, younger and faster. Even if it took moving Zetterberg, I would do it. a second line of Nyquist, Staal and Ryan looks a lot better to me than a line of Z, filppula and Nyquist.

6. The for 2013 we replace nicky with smith, and look at moves for the top line.


Ok, there they are. Go ahead flame away!!!! LOL!


Let me start off by saying that I really respect your willingness to break from the monotonous norm of this forum and share a viewpoint that might not be that popular among the others here.

That being said some of your ideas are pretty radical/unrealistic. I agree that Lids coming back at his current price isn't ideal but it's probably the reality. I think he'll come back for around 5.5-6 on a one year deal (obv.) Also, comparing him to Stevie Y isn't realistic but I think that point has been made already too.

Also, overhauling a whole organization isn't easy or the right way to get back in contention. Realistically, this team can get back in the playoffs next year if we dump a couple of the older players who don't fit and pick up Parise (which probably won't happen IMO but for the sake of arguement...) or get Nyquist and/or Jurco up here and pray to god they can contribute and that we won't ruin their potential by pushing them too early. It's not going to be too hard to get into the playoffs next year, especially if there aren't as many injuries.

The problem lies 2-3 years from now when we're gonna be REALLY old and still not have any great prospects. We're going to have to rebuild at some point otherwise we're going to be middle of the pack until Datsyuk and Z hang em' up.. Then we'll be bottom feeders. We need to start getting younger now (as you mentioned) but that is easier said than done. It involves getting rid of old players that have trade value in exchange for younger players and picks that we can use to start getting fresh, young talent into the organization. But it all has to be done while still keeping the team we have now a contender and not wasting the last years on some of our older players because we had a yard sale with everyone else. It's an challenging task and I do not envy Ken Holland. I commend you for your efforts and willingness to take a leap but still.. A lot of what you said just isn't feasible. Especially the trades you mentioned. Pac from the Habs is a decent player but he isn't the answer to our problems and Ryan from Anaheim would be a blockbuster that really wouldn't work out for us well in the long term. Anaheim is in rebuilding right now as far as I'm concerned and it will be near impossible to lure a 24 year old proven goal scorer away from them without having to give up every good prospect and their brother that we have in the system. Not to mention picks. It would look great in the short term because putting a finisher like Bobby Ryan on a like with Datsyuk would be deadly. It's certainly a sexy acquisition but at the end of the day it would set us back HUGE in the long-term and would be a bad deal to try and make.

There is some other stuff but I think it's been pretty much beaten to death here already as far as I can see.. Again though.. I commend you on stepping outside the box and putting it on the line.



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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:49 AM

Some of us remember who when Bowman was hired and he tried to run Yzerman out of town. It does happen. In fact it is rare to stay in one place your whole career. Go through just the RW history. Howe, Abel, delveccio, sawchuck, Lindsey, were all traded away at one point or another. Glad you brought up Shanahan. we traded for him. The let him walk as a FA. Got nothing back for him. He stayed 2 years to long.



Oh Really? And when was that, again??? When I read that, it made me disregard everything else that you had said. :thumbdown:

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:55 AM

Nash would be great, but I am not sure they want to invest all that cash in Parise/Nash and Suter. If somehow Holland acquires Nash, then you can forget one of Suter or Parise. Then again, nobody really knows what is going on in Holland's head. He could be looking at completely different UFA's...

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:58 AM

Nash would be great, but I am not sure they want to invest all that cash in Parise/Nash and Suter. If somehow Holland acquires Nash, then you can forget one of Suter or Parise. Then again, nobody really knows what is going on in Holland's head. He could be looking at completely different UFA's...

Getting Nash would be great, but would come at a high cost. Probably would see our 2013 1st rounder gone along with Flip or Franzen and someone like Jarnkrok or Tatar and a good D prospect. Not worth selling the farm. Parise can be had for a dollar amount with nothing else going out the other way, same with Suter. Nash also has a pre-detemined salary of what, 8+ mil i think?? Either way, i'd rather keep the idea of going after Parise, Suter and Prust. It makes the most sense and would make the Wings instant favourite. And before anyone brings up an argument that Hossa coming over made the wings instant cup repeaters, he got 40 goals and the boys lost game 7 of the SCF...

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:13 PM

The other part of this is of course when do our guys become FA's? Holmstrom, Hudler, Stuart and nicky this year, only 1 will return, maybe. Next year datsyk, Howard, Cleary, and Filppula are UFA's. Howard will double his salary or more. do we spend the big money on a then 35 year old datsyk? Cleary will be gone and Filppula could go either way. Point is as has been the case, change is coming not matter if we like it or not. the question is, how do we manage the change and remain a Cup contender? Do we resign datsyk to another 4 or 5 year deal and commit 30 million more to him, or move him now while he has value? same with Filppula?

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:21 PM

This is always the debate that bring teams down. if you go look at all of the major professional sports, find the "teams of the decade" and then go see how they do the following decade. When do you cut bait with the expensive veteran players that made you great? Hang on to long and you become a bottom dweller. Move to fast and the fan base can revolt. But that only lasts untill you win a championship, then they forget all about it.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:41 PM

The other part of this is of course when do our guys become FA's? Holmstrom, Hudler, Stuart and nicky this year, only 1 will return, maybe. Next year datsyk, Howard, Cleary, and Filppula are UFA's. Howard will double his salary or more. do we spend the big money on a then 35 year old datsyk? Cleary will be gone and Filppula could go either way. Point is as has been the case, change is coming not matter if we like it or not. the question is, how do we manage the change and remain a Cup contender? Do we resign datsyk to another 4 or 5 year deal and commit 30 million more to him, or move him now while he has value? same with Filppula?


Datsyuk isn't a FA next year. He's signed through 2013-2014. Flip could be moved if the right deal comes along but a Datsyuk trade is completely out of the question.

This is always the debate that bring teams down. if you go look at all of the major professional sports, find the "teams of the decade" and then go see how they do the following decade. When do you cut bait with the expensive veteran players that made you great? Hang on to long and you become a bottom dweller. Move to fast and the fan base can revolt. But that only lasts untill you win a championship, then they forget all about it.



Moving your stars (aging or otherwise) for picks and prospects causes you to become a bottom dweller, letting good players play until they retire hasn't hurt the Wings in 20+ years.

I believe the saying is "if it ain't broke don't fix it"

What championship teams have traded away the players that made them great, and then improved without a few years of mediocrity in between?






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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:47 PM

I disagree about trades being out of the question-- it all depends on how Holland does on July 1st. If he strikes out we're almost guaranteed he will look very hard for trade possibilities.

I have zero interest in Penner unless he's cheap. He comes with huge questions about his commitment on and off the ice (especially in terms of whether he is NHL-fit).



Both would be downgrades.

agreed on both posts. Penner is lazy and we already have Franzen that is filling the floater role quite well. And Ryan Smyth is old, decrepid and way past his prime...I seem to remember a lot of guys complaining about that problem with the current Wings team, so why add to it?

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:34 PM

Datsyuk isn't a FA next year. He's signed through 2013-2014. Flip could be moved if the right deal comes along but a Datsyuk trade is completely out of the question.



Moving your stars (aging or otherwise) for picks and prospects causes you to become a bottom dweller, letting good players play until they retire hasn't hurt the Wings in 20+ years.

I believe the saying is "if it ain't broke don't fix it"

What championship teams have traded away the players that made them great, and then improved without a few years of mediocrity in between?






Sorry, off 1 year. But that makes it worse. he will then be 36 and still cost a lot. I am not nor have I ever said trade from prospects and draft picks. I said trade for guys in the NHL that are starting to prove themselves. guys just entering their prime that are producing. Big difference.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:08 PM

you still didn't answer my question.

Which championship teams in any sport have traded away the players that made them great, and improved without any years of mediocrity in between?

Who knows what Datsyuk will want salary wise in 2 years, and who knows what the roster will look like then. The Wings are still very much competitive and Datsyuk is the best player on their team, just because he's aging isn't a reason to trade him.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:42 PM

you still didn't answer my question.

Which championship teams in any sport have traded away the players that made them great, and improved without any years of mediocrity in between?

Who knows what Datsyuk will want salary wise in 2 years, and who knows what the roster will look like then. The Wings are still very much competitive and Datsyuk is the best player on their team, just because he's aging isn't a reason to trade him.


Evcery team rebuilds. The question is which is faster? Either way you do drop off. But do you wait untill everyone has retired-and get NOTHING for them? Or move them and get something back that can be part of your next upswing. We had a 15 year run that was awesome! 95-2010 there was no one better. Not even close. But now it is time to get the pieces for the next great run.
No we are very very competive. we just got beat in the 1st round. We didn't win our division. As for datsyk, is he is healthy he is going to make more than he does now. 36 year olds are guys you fill in holes with, not build around. he is already slowing down over the past five years. Injuries are becoming more common. If we could move him, yes I would. But like I said, not for prospects. I look for guys in the league just comming into their prime.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:05 PM

Evcery team rebuilds. The question is which is faster? Either way you do drop off. But do you wait untill everyone has retired-and get NOTHING for them? Or move them and get something back that can be part of your next upswing. We had a 15 year run that was awesome! 95-2010 there was no one better. Not even close. But now it is time to get the pieces for the next great run.
No we are very very competive. we just got beat in the 1st round. We didn't win our division. As for datsyk, is he is healthy he is going to make more than he does now. 36 year olds are guys you fill in holes with, not build around. he is already slowing down over the past five years. Injuries are becoming more common. If we could move him, yes I would. But like I said, not for prospects. I look for guys in the league just comming into their prime.


So 8th overall isn't competitive? 102 pts sucks?

Should Chicago, San Jose, Vancouver and Pittsburgh start shipping out their stars too? they lost in the 1st round too.
You rebuild when your team can no longer compete, the Wings are a free agent signing and/or a few better playoff match-ups from being championship team again.

Datsyuk isn't some run of the mill 33 year old, he's among the best players in the NHL. The closest player in calibre to him that I can remember getting traded was Peter Forsberg (and he wasn't traded by the team he starred with). He returned Scotty Upshall and Ryan Parent, neither of which are still playing with Philadelphia.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 09:27 PM

Evcery team rebuilds. The question is which is faster? Either way you do drop off. But do you wait untill everyone has retired-and get NOTHING for them? Or move them and get something back that can be part of your next upswing. We had a 15 year run that was awesome! 95-2010 there was no one better. Not even close. But now it is time to get the pieces for the next great run.
No we are very very competive. we just got beat in the 1st round. We didn't win our division. As for datsyk, is he is healthy he is going to make more than he does now. 36 year olds are guys you fill in holes with, not build around. he is already slowing down over the past five years. Injuries are becoming more common. If we could move him, yes I would. But like I said, not for prospects. I look for guys in the league just comming into their prime.


Dude your either living in fantasy land or NHL12 lol....The Wings are a dignified, respectable, classy organization. And we got that way by letting our players retire as wings. We dont get nothing for that either...players like nick give us 20+ years of dedicated loyal service. What more do you want man!?!?!? and so will players like datsyuk and zetterberg and so on. They are not common whores that get traded away as soon as they turn 35.... They are Wings. They were born Wings and they will die Wings....Even at their ripe old ages they play a 360 degree game that most "proving themselves up and coming players" will never ever achieve or even dream of. We are one of the most respected and successful organizations in all of sports because we DONT do what you are talking about. Theres a reason why in the players poll the majority of players voted that the organization theyd most like to play for is Detroit...we turn boys into legends...put rings on their fingers...then retire them and give em a job behind the scenes...its been workin since 97 and we aint changin it now....remeber 2001, 2003, and 2006? OH NOOOO BLOW UP THE TEAM!!!!! WELL NEVER WIN AGAIN WITH THESE SHMUCKS!!!! (championship in 2002 and 2008).......if ur really so worried about our Vets (not sure ive ever been worried about veteran wings) and our future, then see: Smith, Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Jarnkrok, Sheahan, Mrazek, Andersson, Pulkkinen, Ouellet, Sproul, Tvrdon, Ferraro, Quine, Callahan, Marchenko.....need i say more? our farm is stacked and were almost ready to harvest again....no need to aquire the up and coming leinos and semins of the world. Hockey is different then NHL12 friend.

at this point id like to reiterate a previous posters statement....soooooo glad kenny is running this team

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:49 AM

Dude your either living in fantasy land or NHL12 lol....The Wings are a dignified, respectable, classy organization. And we got that way by letting our players retire as wings. We dont get nothing for that either...players like nick give us 20+ years of dedicated loyal service. What more do you want man!?!?!? and so will players like datsyuk and zetterberg and so on. They are not common whores that get traded away as soon as they turn 35.... They are Wings. They were born Wings and they will die Wings....Even at their ripe old ages they play a 360 degree game that most "proving themselves up and coming players" will never ever achieve or even dream of. We are one of the most respected and successful organizations in all of sports because we DONT do what you are talking about. Theres a reason why in the players poll the majority of players voted that the organization theyd most like to play for is Detroit...we turn boys into legends...put rings on their fingers...then retire them and give em a job behind the scenes...its been workin since 97 and we aint changin it now....remeber 2001, 2003, and 2006? OH NOOOO BLOW UP THE TEAM!!!!! WELL NEVER WIN AGAIN WITH THESE SHMUCKS!!!! (championship in 2002 and 2008).......if ur really so worried about our Vets (not sure ive ever been worried about veteran wings) and our future, then see: Smith, Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Jarnkrok, Sheahan, Mrazek, Andersson, Pulkkinen, Ouellet, Sproul, Tvrdon, Ferraro, Quine, Callahan, Marchenko.....need i say more? our farm is stacked and were almost ready to harvest again....no need to aquire the up and coming leinos and semins of the world. Hockey is different then NHL12 friend.

at this point id like to reiterate a previous posters statement....soooooo glad kenny is running this team


Now who is talking about prospects? You do realize that for everyone that makes it, there are 20+ that don't right? Most of those guys are 3+ years from even be considered. heck half of them have yet to play a professional game. Yes we drft and develop well. But what does that mean? We have what, 15 guys on our roster that we drafted? In a span of 20+ years. Think about that. That is less than 1 pick per draft ever turns out. Ok we traded a couple. But not that many. Maybe dat and Z play their whole career here. I have no issue with it if 1. they produce and 2. their pay matches their production. But in both cases their ends are far closer than you want to realize. They are also dropping faster than you seem willing to accept. Fact is the RW are the second oldest team in the NHL-based on the 2011/12 season. Heck babcock said it best after the playoffs "we seem to be headin in the wrong direction". His words-paraphrased, not mine.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:00 AM

Going to add one more though to this thread. Most teams, us included carry 14 forwards. No team what to be all small or all big. doesn't work. Philly proved that under Clark and the ducks are showing that again. You need a good mix. 7 and 7 is about perfect. if you look at our group of forwards, who are big and who are small, and where does the real problem lie? By big I typically talk about guys over 6ft and over 200 pounds. Our small forwards are: Dat, Z, Filppula, Helm, Emmerton, Mursak, and Nyquist. That group is pretty solid. Our big forwards are : Burt, Franzen, Cleary, Abdelkater, Miller (kinda) and maybe Sheahan(spelling). That is not an awe inspiring group. Only 6-so 1 short to begin with, and the group is 3 old broken down guys and 3 checkers. Now which group is our problem? Which group do we need to really be focusing on? The worst part is, we are tied to those 3. maybe franzen has trade value, but that is it. Burt has a no trade clause IIRC and cleary is toast.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:05 PM

Now who is talking about prospects? You do realize that for everyone that makes it, there are 20+ that don't right? Most of those guys are 3+ years from even be considered. heck half of them have yet to play a professional game. Yes we drft and develop well. But what does that mean? We have what, 15 guys on our roster that we drafted? In a span of 20+ years. Think about that. That is less than 1 pick per draft ever turns out. Ok we traded a couple. But not that many. Maybe dat and Z play their whole career here. I have no issue with it if 1. they produce and 2. their pay matches their production. But in both cases their ends are far closer than you want to realize. They are also dropping faster than you seem willing to accept. Fact is the RW are the second oldest team in the NHL-based on the 2011/12 season. Heck babcock said it best after the playoffs "we seem to be headin in the wrong direction". His words-paraphrased, not mine.


Smith and Nyquist pretty much already made the team. Sheahan and Andersson are nearly there. Jarnkrok, Tatar, and Jurco are expected to be part of the team in the next few years. And Ouellet and Marchenko are being called huge steals like Datsyuk was. Thats about 9 guys who you can put your money on to make it in the next 1 to 4 seasons. Then you have our other 20+ prospects...and lets says worst comes to worst and only 3 of them make it. Now you have about 10 or 11 guys makin it. But lets also not forget that over the next 4 seasons, while our current prospects are fighting for roster spots, we will also draft another 30 to 36 prospects. Lets say only 3 of those guys make it in that 4 year time span. Now you have around 14 guys makin it in the next 4 seasons.....but lets assume everything goes terribly wrong cause we draft horribly (which we dont) and my figure of 14 is cut in half....that means 7 guys. thats still 1 man more than an entire defensive squad, and 1 man more than half a forward squad. Still not satisfied? Lets also not forget those 1st round picks we dont need....we can trade those away for whatever young players on other teams you envy so much and use them to fill holes. And dont forget free agency! The Hossa's (Parise) and Rafalski's (Suter) of the world need somewhere to go. And FA's love us because we DONT trade away guys like Nick, PAV, or Z, just because they are EXPIERENCED. And even if we don't get Parise or Suter we'd probablly get some more Ian White kind of guys and turn them into a top notch players like we always do..............or then again we could just blow the team up and trade away the 2 best 2-way forwards in the league to get someone who doesnt play nearly as good defense and costs probablly a million or two more than Pav and Z do. And in the process ruin our reputation as a franchise that sticks by our guys, and less FA's will want to play here.

Bottom line is if you think anyone on this team is too old (besides Homer) and that being old is a problem, your crazy (see: Nick Lidstrom, Brendan Shanahan, Chris Chelios, Domink Hasek, ect.). Veterans provide a world of leadership to the team, help develop our up and coming prospects, and are just plain smarter and more experienced than other players out there. Our family style has created a culture of winning. Panicking and blowing up the team is not only short-sighted but completely moronic and against everything our franchise has worked to cultivate. Remember 2006? We went out in the first round just like this year and people panicked and said blow the team up. Luckily Hollands cooler head prevailed and he didn't do something stupid....2 years later we won the cup. This is not a 1 and done team like Chicago....people like you are only thinking about the the present while Holland is 5 steps ahead of you. Hes got plans for 2016 already I'm sure. He's like Lidstrom, he makes very few mistakes....and theres a reason he sticks by our guys. Love my wings.





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