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#241 BostonBruinsDan1924

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:08 AM

Bettman playing dirty.
http://m.nypost.com/...iVeijZpbgII0lnN

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:11 PM

The owners and the players better get their act together real quick because in times of credit crunches and financial crisis the fans are going to have much less patience with billionaires fighting millionaires. There was a lot of talk last time around that the league could suffer greatly from fans losing interest after a lost season, well it didn't happen then, but this time I think the fans might take it personally. And why shouldn't they?? This is ridiculous!

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:35 PM

This is more a testament to how many mistakes the NHL made in expansion and how the owners are responsible for what they call the players making "too much money!" Up until a few weeks ago, the owners were still handing out $100 million dollar contracts. It the owners that are screwing each other, not the NHLPA. It reminds me of the savings and loan crisis in the U.S.....and this NHL situation would be akin to the savings and loans after collapsing or nearly collapsing, blaming the people they loaned the money to for the crisis they found themselves in. The eptitome of passing the buck for some serious mismanagement.

Maybe the U.S. and Canadian goverments can come to NHL owners aide too since they are in such finacial trouble. (Eye roll)

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:46 PM

Bettman playing dirty.
http://m.nypost.com/...iVeijZpbgII0lnN

The article is a bit melodramatic but touches on what I think is the big issue and why I can't believe how insane the NHL's first proposal is.

The NHL does not have a player cost problem. The NHL has a small-market revenue problem, one its initial parody of a collective bargaining proposal to the NHLPA doesn’t begin to address.
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Eight years ago, the NHL mounted a massive public relations campaign to justify its reach into the players’ pockets, much of the appeal to the fans resting on a pledge that a hard cap would result in lower ticket prices.
There’s no such attempt this time around. The league isn’t even attempting to justify its position of demanding massive givebacks from the players in order to be allowed to play without interruption.

Everyone — and that includes Bettman, deputy commissioner Bill Daly, chief of staff Bob Batterman and the Board of Governors — knows the disparity of revenue between the powerhouse markets and the ne’er-do-wells is the critical issue confronting the NHL, but the powers that be either don’t have the imagination or foresight or the stomach or political capital to attend to it.


The section I bolded is the heart of it. Bettman is a patsy.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:22 AM

Winnipeg SUN  http://m.winnipegsun...ckout-hat-trick

Bettman going for the lockout hat trick.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:58 AM

That throwaway comment from 2004 about ticket prices is sure to come back and haunt the owners this time around.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:16 AM

Uncle Gary's mantra: "The fans be damned".

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:44 AM

Uncle Gary's mantra: "The fans be damned".


You mean the Board of Governor's mantra, right?
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:02 AM

I am very eager to see what the NHLPA brings to the table on Tuesday. Its my hope that they are going to be reasonable and give a solid proposal. I have a feeling they are going to try to lowball the league, which would fulfill my expectations of two parties who don't want to work with each other.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:56 AM

I love NHL hockey. As much as we all ***** and moan, we love watching NHL hockey and we love watching our Red Wings; thus hundreds of us logging on to LGW during the dog days of summer to discuss ANYTHING.

That said, I'm honestly concerned about my own level of patience if we are subjected to another fiasco like 2004. Another season lost because of greedy owners who have made their beds with ballooned contracts and forcing failing markets, and yet refuse to sleep in them. If this season is in fact lost, Bettman and the Board of Governors will have averaged a work stoppage once every 6 1/3 years since 1993. That is unacceptable.

Another season lost, another year of Datsyuk and Zetterberg's careers down the tubes, might be just what it takes for many NHL/Red Wings fans not to come back.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:11 PM

One more sleep.

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#252 BostonBruinsDan1924

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:23 PM

Interesting that Bettman's salary has risen from less than $3M before 2004-05 lockout to approx $8M today.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:36 PM

Interesting that Bettman's salary has risen from less than $3M before 2004-05 lockout to approx $8M today.

i wonder if he takes a hit to his salary like the players lol? his salary inflated even more than the players'.

P.S. who would have the power to remove Bettman from his position? A vote by the owners?

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 13 August 2012 - 02:34 PM

This whole "Bettman is the problem" thing is really getting out of hand. The guy is a slimeball, but let's give credit where it is due. Bettman is essentially employed by the owners of the teams in the NHL. It's his prerogative to make them happy, or he finds himself unemployed. All things considered, he has done an excellent job satisfying owners. The game has evolved and grown by leaps and bounds under his direction, and the owners overall have made great profits, despite everything the league has had going against it.
Bettman is the voice of the owners is the labor dispute. What they want is what he has to try to sell to the NHLPA and public. Bettman is not the devil whispering evils into the ears of the owners. Its actually the other way around. He's just the front man.

Edit: actually Bettman is in quite a tough pickle now that I think on it. The owners are asking for quite a lot and under the current environment are coming of as unrealistic and greedy. If Bettman can't achieve these extremely lofty and completely one-sided goals (ie owners win, players lose (again)), he may be out of a job. I'm not sure if it would come to that considering the profits that the league has earned in the past decade, but its certainly not an appealing situation to be in.

Edited by Echolalia, 13 August 2012 - 02:42 PM.


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Posted 13 August 2012 - 05:58 PM

Here are some rumors http://www.sportsnet...a_negotiations/

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:25 PM

2 things come to mind...

1. What I will find interesting is what will happen after this fiasco is resolved. Will the owners abide by their own concerns and be more fiscally responsible? Doubt it. Bettman doesn't sign the players to their contracts, the owners do, so we should be more upset with them then Bettman.

2. I wonder if there is any kind of 'Collusion' language in the NHL's past CBA's? Anyone know? If there is, I wonder if the players association could file suit if the Owners stop bidding or at least offering UFA's huge contracts?

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:57 PM

“What we expect to do tomorrow is to put forth an alternative view as to what we should do next,” Fehr said Monday. “That’s the best way I can put it.”

Despite that, the union thoroughly examined it over the last month before deciding there was no true counter-proposal to be made. Fehr will instead offer up a “different kind of an approach” — one that no doubt includes expanded revenue sharing and more flexibility under the league’s rigid salary cap system.


“It’s how the players see the world,” said Fehr.



This should be great.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:20 PM

Guess we'll see what comes out tomorrow...stay tuned!

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:28 PM

Saw this picture on tsn, is that dan cleary rockin the shades?

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:48 PM

Here are some rumors http://www.sportsnet...a_negotiations/

As much as I'm interested in the league at least exploring the idea of a soft cap or luxury tax, there's no way a majority of owners or Bettman will go for that. But it at least tries to address what is one of the fundamental issues in the NHL today: the financial disparity between the franchises.

That's my biggest problem with the NHL's proposal. Their demands are not only idiotically extreme, most don't really address the fundamental problems. Taking greater and greater percentages of the players money is not really a viable long-term solution for the league. The rich teams will still find ways to use their financial advantage to lure star players away from small market teams.

My fear is that the two sides aren't even talking about the same problems, so it's not even really a negotiation.

It should be a very interesting day tomorrow.





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