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[BottleOfSmoke]

So am I correct in my understanding that there are no official talks scheduled for this week, but there is an owners meeting scheduled for next week to affirm support for a lockout?



I wish I was at the point to say I don't give a s***, but I'd be lying. I'll be heartbroken if we lose the Winter Classic because of this crap.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

We'll see NHL hockey in time for the Winter Classic. There's far too much money and attention involved with the Winter Classic to miss it. However, it doesn't look like we'll see the season start on time.

I'll reserve my absolute freakout rant for when it is announced that there will be a lockout.

[Ally]

the atmosphere in my house is going to get reaaally unpleasant if/when the lockout is announced.

[Z Winged Dangler]

I get NHL13 friday at 4 pm. If not for that i would completely lose it about no hockey. as it stands right now, there will be multiple trips to Brandon with the old man for our hockey fix. Unfortunately none of the friday or saturday games are against the Giants cause we both wanted to see Tvrdon.... May as well at least try to see some Wings prospects during the likely lockout.

[Johnz96]

^That video is incredible, I hope it goes viral.

Great vid

[cusimano_brothers]

TSN:

Edited by cusimano_brothers, 06 September 2012 - 12:36 PM.

[BottleOfSmoke]

I am so frustrated that we are even facing this as a possibility (looking more and more like a reality) AGAIN. Absolutely ridiculous.

[haroldsnepsts]

I am so frustrated that we are even facing this as a possibility (looking more and more like a reality) AGAIN. Absolutely ridiculous.

Agreed.

If we lose hockey games this season, you can pretty much guarantee Bettman will lock players out every chance he gets for as long as he's commissioner.

Last time the owners got the cap, players are not trying to remove that cap, and revenue is through the roof. This should've been the easiest of all CBA renegotiations.

Instead we're 9 days out and the two sides aren't even talking.

[esteef]

NHL Center Ice subscription cancelled. Let me know when the greed subsides.

esteef

[evilzyme]

bettman and the owners plan to meet 9/13 to confirm plans to lockout the season. dont see them.meeting anytime before 9/15...

[55fan]

This is so stupid. I seriously think Bettman and Co. wanted to take a year off, devised a plan for doing so, and are following it through to fruition. They were responsible for setting the meetings, which they did at the last minute, and ever since then they've had a negative rhetoric about how far apart the two sides are. Then they announced right off the bat that they would not use the option to play another year on the current CBA and they would go for a lockout.

All of this screams bad faith. The initial low-ball offer I can understand from a negotiation point of view even if it reeks of smarmyness <---It's a word because I say so.

I don't see any effort on the part of the league nor any urgency as the deadline approaches. Either they seriously don't want this season to happen or they are posturing, and doing so badly.

[Motown4013]

This is so stupid. I seriously think Bettman and Co. wanted to take a year off, devised a plan for doing so, and are following it through to fruition. They were responsible for setting the meetings, which they did at the last minute, and ever since then they've had a negative rhetoric about how far apart the two sides are. Then they announced right off the bat that they would not use the option to play another year on the current CBA and they would go for a lockout.

All of this screams bad faith. The initial low-ball offer I can understand from a negotiation point of view even if it reeks of smarmyness <---It's a word because I say so.

I don't see any effort on the part of the league nor any urgency as the deadline approaches. Either they seriously don't want this season to happen or they are posturing, and doing so badly.

So well said! With you 100 percent.....unreal!

[chances14]

pierre lebrun's take on negotiations

http://espn.go.com/n...ate-discussions

This is so stupid. I seriously think Bettman and Co. wanted to take a year off, devised a plan for doing so, and are following it through to fruition. They were responsible for setting the meetings, which they did at the last minute, and ever since then they've had a negative rhetoric about how far apart the two sides are. Then they announced right off the bat that they would not use the option to play another year on the current CBA and they would go for a lockout.

All of this screams bad faith. The initial low-ball offer I can understand from a negotiation point of view even if it reeks of smarmyness <---It's a word because I say so.

I don't see any effort on the part of the league nor any urgency as the deadline approaches. Either they seriously don't want this season to happen or they are posturing, and doing so badly.

let's not forget that the players aren't putting any effort into getting negotations going again either

neither side has shown any urgency. otherwise i agree with the rest of your post

Edited by chances14, 06 September 2012 - 04:17 PM.

[haroldsnepsts]

pierre lebrun's take on negotiations

http://espn.go.com/n...ate-discussions



let's not forget that the players aren't putting any effort into getting negotations going again either

neither side has shown any urgency. otherwise i agree with the rest of your post

That's a pretty good article by Lebrun.

Here's another example of why the NHL saying they want to "partner" with the players is such a joke. Aside from wanting to redefine Hockey Related Revenue and reducing players share of revenue, they also want to more firmly establish their decision making and reduce the NHLPA's role.

From the article:

Another potential contentious issue, first reported by Larry Brooks in the New York Post on Wednesday, is the league's proposal to clarify "management rights" in the new CBA to give owners more power in the areas of realignment, schedule-making, playoff format, etc. This comes as a result of the NHLPA blocking the league's attempt to realign the divisions for the 2012-13 season.

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The league wants the hammer next time it tries to realign.
"What we made clear both in terms of delivering the proposal and then talking about last Friday is we welcome the input, we want to work cooperatively with them and do things jointly to the extent we can, but at the end of the day, somebody has to be able to make decisions," said Daly. "We can't paralyze the business on the basis of no one party having the ability to make a decision. It's our clubs who are the ones opening the buildings and paying for the cost of putting on the games and producing the product to the fans. They should be making those decisions, ultimately."

[Dabura]

^^^ I was about to make a post about that particular comment. What he - Daly - is saying makes sense, but he comes across as such a dips***.

It's a good article, but it felt to me like Lebrun identified about 90 different issues as THE Core Issue, singular. I'm sure that's just quick, lazy reading on my part, though.

This is all so stupid.

[haroldsnepsts]

^^^ I was about to make a post about that particular comment. What he - Daly - is saying makes sense, but he comes across as such a dips***.

It's a good article, but it felt to me like Lebrun identified about 90 different issues as THE Core Issue, singular. I'm sure that's just quick, lazy reading on my part, though.

This is all so stupid.

Agreed.

It's just another case of the league talking out of both sides of its mouth. wanting the players to "partner with us," while we take away more and more of your money and decisionmaking power. "There's no salary rollback, it'll go into an escrow account until the end of the season, where it'll ultimately end up back in the owners' pockets."

It makes sense that the owners would be the major decision maker in schedules and realignment, but Bettman acts like it's a terrible inconvenience to have to check with the union on these things. If he had any diplomacy skills at all he would've involved the players more and the owners wouldn't need more legal reinforcement of their decision-making power. I don't remember hearing about the NHLPA making any unreasonable demands about the realignment, just that they wanted time to look at it and figure out what it meant for their hundreds of constituents who get shipped all over North America 9 months out of the year.

It is all truly so stupid. If we lose another season, I'm not coming back as long as Bettman is commissioner. I love hockey, but there's plenty of other ways I can spend my time and money.

[Dabura]

Hear, hear!

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

NHL Center Ice subscription cancelled. Let me know when the greed subsides.

esteef

A lockout is inevitable, but I'll play along and act like there's still a chance we see the season start on time. When they announce the lockout, however, I'll absolutely freak out. Both sides are making millions, while millions in the US can't even find jobs at all. Quit acting like a bunch of princesses and play the damn game.

Edited by Bring Back The Bruise Bros, 06 September 2012 - 06:54 PM.

[cusimano_brothers]

The NHLPA had already said they would enter a new season while still under the current CBA, while still trying to negotiate a new deal.
How was that received by the owners?

[frankgrimes]

Seriously BAN this little dwarf from being the commissioner. Like someone stated this should have been the easiest CBA ever and all this moronic little bastard said was "we believe we are paying the player too much, we shouldn't do that":

1. you moronic ***** aren't paying anything
2. the NHL is paying YOU too much money son of a *****
3. revenues are through the roof - want to support your failed franchise-experiments? Do it with your own money you bastard

Again sorry for swearing like that but I am pissed off, we are losing another season because a certain commissioner has absolutely no negotiation skills or passion for hockey. I hope the players stay unit and call the bluff by this little man so hopefully the owners are going to get fed up with him and finally give him the so deserving boot

Players provided two reasonable solutions - just needed some tweaks - the NHL on the other side made one insulting attempt followed up by another.

If we lose this season, I think we as fans should unite and "nuke" the NHL with mails stating that we are not coming back if this rat doesn't get the boot. I am really wondering which owners he actually has on his side? Mr. I can't stand him and I think Sneider isn't a fan either.

Edited by frankgrimes, 06 September 2012 - 07:16 PM.