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#581 cusimano_brothers

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:14 PM

Donald Fehr, the executive director of the NHL Players' Association, says he stopped drawing a salary on July 1 and a source told The Canadian Press that commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly plan to follow suit if a new agreement can't be reached by Sept. 15.


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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:17 PM

Has it already been mentioned that the players who are going to play in other leagues for less money during the lockout only prove the owners point that they are paid too much? or is this just angry fan speak?

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:25 PM

Has it already been mentioned that the players who are going to play in other leagues for less money during the lockout only prove the owners point that they are paid too much? or is this just angry fan speak?

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Not sure if serious, Malkin will easily make more, same thing applies to Datsyuk and some other Russians.

The owners are the ones giving out such massive contracts, you can't howl with the wolves and then cry poor, the league has been absolutely ridiculous in terms of handeling this CBA process.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:42 PM

Has it already been mentioned that the players who are going to play in other leagues for less money during the lockout only prove the owners point that they are paid too much? or is this just angry fan speak?

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It's flawed logic.

Given the fact the owners are locking them out from playing in the league with which they have a current contract, the players are taking an alternate job somewhere else. It happens often when companies lock out employees. People need to pay bills. That doesn't prove that they are overpaid.

The issue isn't so much "what's the lowest amount the players will accept"(though that's the owners apparent thinking) as much as it is divvying up the billions in revenue the league collects in a way everyone can agree upon.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:44 PM

Has it already been mentioned that the players who are going to play in other leagues for less money during the lockout only prove the owners point that they are paid too much? or is this just angry fan speak?

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Using the same logic, owners being willing to forgo the revenues proves that they don't really have to charge as much for the tickets? Let's face it, the players would play this game for 100k/year since they are not likely to make even that much in any other job. But every dollar that the players don't get goes into the owners pockets. Personally, I don't really care how much money players make or how much profit the owners get. It's just that when the 2 sides squabble over the division of the money, I tend to sympathize with players because they are the ones I like to watch playing. The owners give out the contracts of their own free will, so I have no sympathy for them.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:30 PM

People need to pay bills.


I understand what you're saying, but that s*** is funny right there. :lol:

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:52 PM

I've been a Redwings fan since the early '80's..........flown to Chicago, LA, Denver, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Phoenix, St. Louis and of course, Detroit to watch em play. If there is no hockey this season, I'm done with the sport for good. They can all kiss my ass.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:03 AM

I understand what you're saying, but that s*** is funny right there. :lol:

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I was more referring to non-hockey players that get locked out from their jobs. It's not like I meant I was worried hockey players won't be able to eat and pay their utility bills.

Though when you make the income they do, I'm betting many of them have high expenses to go with it. Hopefully they had the sense to save a lot of money preparing for this lockout.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:31 AM

It's flawed logic.

Given the fact the owners are locking them out from playing in the league with which they have a current contract, the players are taking an alternate job somewhere else. It happens often when companies lock out employees. People need to pay bills. That doesn't prove that they are overpaid.

The issue isn't so much "what's the lowest amount the players will accept"(though that's the owners apparent thinking) as much as it is divvying up the billions in revenue the league collects in a way everyone can agree upon.


I think for either logic a case can be made. Sure they are locked out by the owners and do not get a pay check.
Which means they should find an alternate income (aka playing in another league for less aside from the 1% who could get more).

On the other side when a player makes $2M in the NHL now and they would need to take a 15% paycut to continue playing in the NHL (= $1.7M) or they do not sign a new deal and play for the AHL for $200K. I am basing this amount on capgeek's numbers where AHL contracts are less than 10% of the NHL contracts.

Ofcourse this is based on a one year only period, so you can say the players would prefer to "bleed" one year to get better in the long run.

I think the only solid case is that the ones who will really suffer are the fans and the people who work in/around the stadium etc.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:16 AM

They're meeting today, yes?

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:48 AM

They're meeting today, yes?


yes and they are still ongoing. 2hrs and counting

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:25 PM

yes and they are still ongoing. 2hrs and counting


I'm really trying not to get my hopes up, but alas! There they go...I really want to be happy and excited about all the twitter news and pictures of our guys back on the ice and visiting schools like everything is normal.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:58 PM

looks like the real negotiations have begun

@aaronward_nhl: Meetings are a 'fluid situation' and are expected to reconvene later today or tomorrow morning. Attempting to 'bridge the gap'. #TSN #CBA



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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:46 PM

^Just get a deal hammered out guys.the thought of hockey starting /not starting in a few weeks is killing me

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:57 PM

You'd think they could just do a one-year deal with both sides making serious concessions for just one year so that they could play and agree to work out a long-term solution to be implemented next year.

Oh, wait. They did that. They put an extension clause in this CBA, which the league stomped out as an option before they even scheduled the meetings.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:12 PM

yes and they are still ongoing. 2hrs and counting

Oh....a new record for meeting time. Nice to see more than 45 whole minutes in a row!

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:43 PM

they were meeting again later tonight. it was posted at 3 pm but im unsure when they were.

edit; lebrun reporting they are just now wrapping up meeting

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 08:48 PM

"@DarrenDreger: Good, candid discussion in negotiations today. NHL and NHLPA will determine when the next meeting will be tomorrow."

Please, guys. Hammer this ish out!

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 11:01 PM

it's so frustrating to see that it's taken a week before the deadline for these guys to show any urgency. this should have started months ago

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 09:39 AM

it's so frustrating to see that it's taken a week before the deadline for these guys to show any urgency. this should have started months ago

I agree.

Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world ;)

Maybe there's a chance that things will get resolved soon, and we'll have a full season of NHL hockey!

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