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#721 haroldsnepsts

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:24 PM

Apparently, the PA gave a proposal today, to which the league gave a counter proposal, per Aaron Ward.

The league also gave an ultimatum. If the PA doesn't agree to the league's counter proposal by Lockout Day (15th), then the league will pull that offer from the table.

The real negotiations are just beginning with the NHLPA's offer and league's response today, so naturally Bettman gives an ultimatum.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:24 PM

Don't spend money on the NHL till he is gone. He is the worst thing to ever happen to the game of hockey


I agree Bettman is the worst thing SO far, if the fans stop watching then that becomes the worst thing to happen to the sport.
We aren't facing a lockout because the fans put money in their pockets, we're facing a lockout because everyone wants the bigger piece of the pie. If we stop putting money into the league then yea, sure, the pie gets smaller but it's not going to change the fact that people want the bigger cut. This lockout would be looming if revenue had been down for the past 7 years too.

 
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:31 PM

So with 3 days left to negotiate, the NHL makes its final offer and gives an ultimatum.

If Bettman ever wonders why he always gets booed, he's got his answer.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:33 PM

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:38 PM

NHL/NHLPA/AHL strike special waiver period for players on two-way contracts:

To put it simply, a player currently signed to a two-way contract can play hockey with their farm team, as long as he assigned there by September 15th. In December October, the parent club has up to three days before the season starts to bring that player back without having to put him on re-entry waivers.


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Pardon my ignorance with current contracts, but who all will this apply to? Is Brunner screwed because he chose to go back to Switzerland until the AHL season started?
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:08 PM

NHL/NHLPA/AHL strike special waiver period for players on two-way contracts:



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Pardon my ignorance with current contracts, but who all will this apply to? Is Brunner screwed because he chose to go back to Switzerland until the AHL season started?

Brunner's waiver exempt this season so it's a non-issue.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:08 PM

So with 3 days left to negotiate, the NHL makes its final offer and gives an ultimatum.

If Bettman ever wonders why he always gets booed, he's got his answer.

Link? Source?

I am trying to find a legit source that says it was an "ultimatum". So far, all I can find are unreliable twitter feeds from people who weren't there.

EDIT: This is the closest I have found. http://nbcsports.msn.../ns/sports-nhl/

Not really an ultimatum. Hell, at the end of every CBA, all deals go out the window anyway.

Edited by Nightfall, 12 September 2012 - 03:13 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:15 PM

Pardon my ignorance with current contracts, but who all will this apply to? Is Brunner screwed because he chose to go back to Switzerland until the AHL season started?


From what I've seen, Brunner will go back to Switzerland for a few weeks, and then to GR for the duration of the lockout. I haven't heard anyone mentioning that this agreement would change that plan.


Link? Source?

I am trying to find a legit source that says it was an "ultimatum". So far, all I can find are unreliable twitter feeds from people who weren't there.


Aaron Ward was directly quoting Bettman's response during the League's presser in the NHL offices after the meeting completed.

https://twitter.com/...958367116414977

Bettman,'if union doesn't accept NHL proposal by 15th it is off the table'


As well, Tom Gulitti, a beat reporter for the North Jersey Record, was at the presser, and he's confirmed the league's "ultimatum" as well.

https://twitter.com/...962955454283778

Bettman said league's latest proposal will come off the table if deal isn't reached before Saturday midnight.


https://twitter.com/...963464928018433

Bettman said offer would come off table because damage is already being done to NHL business and there would be more if there is a lockout.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:19 PM

Aaron Ward was directly quoting Bettman's response during the League's presser in the NHL offices after the meeting completed.

https://twitter.com/...958367116414977

After any CBA expiration, all deals are typically off the table. I thought that Bettman said "Sign this, or else we will ask for a 60-40 split in revenues" or something along those lines.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:29 PM

After any CBA expiration, all deals are typically off the table. I thought that Bettman said "Sign this, or else we will ask for a 60-40 split in revenues" or something along those lines.

There's no legal precedent that says the league HAS to pull the offer once the CBA expires and the players are locked out. This is simply Bettman and the BoG trying to pressure the league into singing now.

At it's core, Bettman is playing the part of a car salesman. "My manager might not give you this good a deal if you don't agree to buy it today"

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:33 PM

They'll keep them locked out for years of thats what it takes to "win". They are all billionaires and have other sources of income in the mean time.


This is why the lockout usually works. It boils down to who can do without the money the longest, which is usually the owners. Sure players can go to other leagues and get paid, but most won't make what they made in the NHL. All the while the clock on their prime playing years keeps ticking away. They have the most to lose and the owners know it.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:40 PM

I agree Bettman is the worst thing SO far, if the fans stop watching then that becomes the worst thing to happen to the sport.
We aren't facing a lockout because the fans put money in their pockets, we're facing a lockout because everyone wants the bigger piece of the pie. If we stop putting money into the league then yea, sure, the pie gets smaller but it's not going to change the fact that people want the bigger cut. This lockout would be looming if revenue had been down for the past 7 years too.

The NHL would never have had a lockout without Bettman and we are now going on the 3rd one with him.

Link? Source?

I am trying to find a legit source that says it was an "ultimatum". So far, all I can find are unreliable twitter feeds from people who weren't there.

EDIT: This is the closest I have found. http://nbcsports.msn.../ns/sports-nhl/

Not really an ultimatum. Hell, at the end of every CBA, all deals go out the window anyway.

http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip759512#clip759512

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:48 PM

It certainly would be nice to hear about the details of these proposals.

From the way it sounds.....both sides are proposing "my way or the highway" with no concessions. Not really a way to bargain.

Edited by Nightfall, 12 September 2012 - 03:54 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 04:01 PM

Apparently talk of a lockout has made Emmerton lose his mind..

@DetroitRedWings: READ: @Cemmer48 talks changing his number (and Twitter hanlde) from 48 to 25. http://t.co/4ucJgjoS http://t.co/9Z3ieMMn

@cemmer48: Btw @D_Mac25 I was thinking of starting a band called Grinder, wanna be the lead singer?

@D_Mac25: @cemmer48 here's the deal u can have my jersey # just stay away from my 19 yr old daughter & I'll sing for the band if you play the keyboard

Maybe I'm overly sensitive with general hockey related rage thanks to the impending lockout, but I don't like this one bit! 25 belongs to Mac, baby!

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 04:13 PM

Link? Source?

I am trying to find a legit source that says it was an "ultimatum". So far, all I can find are unreliable twitter feeds from people who weren't there.

EDIT: This is the closest I have found. http://nbcsports.msn.../ns/sports-nhl/

Not really an ultimatum. Hell, at the end of every CBA, all deals go out the window anyway.

No they don't. The current CBA of course officially expires, but there is nothing that says any proposal being made by either side also goes out the window.

When you make a counter proposal and say the union has until the 15th to accept or the deal will be removed, that is an ultimatum.

Listening to Bettman talk in the press conference, in between all his cheap shots at the union, he does sound like there may be the possibility of further negotiation before the deadline. But it's hard to know if that's sincere since his main purpose seemed to be spinning things that the union hadn't conceded anything, the league had "meaningful movement" and tried to make it sound as if the union is the hold up in further negotiations. All that after Bettman said "negotiating publicly doesn't help the process."

The difference in professionalism and tone of the press conferences held by Bettman and Fehr is amazing.

After any CBA expiration, all deals are typically off the table. I thought that Bettman said "Sign this, or else we will ask for a 60-40 split in revenues" or something along those lines.

Again, that is false. The CBA expires, but that has no effect on proposals unless Bettman and the owners link the two, which they've done.

And the implication of pulling any offer off the table is obviously that later offers will be even less favorable. By giving an expiration date on a deadline, there is the implicit threat that things will get worse later.

It certainly would be nice to hear about the details of these proposals.

From the way it sounds.....both sides are proposing "my way or the highway" with no concessions. Not really a way to bargain.

It's beyond me that someone could watch Bettman's press conference and think this is equally both sides fault.

He takes several shots at the union, then later lectures about "not negotiating publicly." And even goes back to blame the players for the lost season in 2004.

When asked directly if it was a final offer, Bettman refused to answer and once again fell back on his "not negotiating publicly" dodge. He also said repeatedly revenue sharing is not the issue.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 04:15 PM

The difference in professionalism and tone of the press conferences held by Bettman and Fehr is amazing.


Lol, it really is. Its like watching how a normal person interacts with people versus how the slimiest of all venomous vile-filled scumbag snakes tries to deal with people. The difference is staggering. I wonder if Gary Bettman is even human... lol

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 04:19 PM

About the only thing I agree with Bettman on in his press conference is that a 6 year (or longer) deal would be better. Because hopefully in 6 years he will no longer be commissioner.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 04:23 PM

Lol, it really is. Its like watching how a normal person interacts with people versus how the slimiest of all venomous vile-filled scumbag snakes tries to deal with people. The difference is staggering. I wonder if Gary Bettman is even human... lol

This is part of what infuriates me--is he *trying* to come across as such an insufferable douchebag? If so, to what end? If I were an owner, I would want to be represented by someone who could communicate effectively and be perceived by the players and public as competent and in charge--not a smarmy, weasely bully with a Napolean complex. I just don't get how he still has a job.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 04:33 PM

I don't understand why everyone is blaming Bettman alone? Why this guy Don Fehr and his little brother are not to blame too? Is this because Bettman salary is two times greater than Fehr's.

NHL has been ready for negotiation long before New Year 2012, it's been said too many times. Fehr responded once saying talks will start sometime after All-Star break. Well he was right, talks started well after All-Star break.

My understanding, this guy deliberatly waited until late August to start negotiation. He understand that NHL has everything to loose while he has already stopped drawing his salary on July 1st. He wanted to push NHL to the limit, use sense of urgency to negitiate in hes and (maybe) players favour.

Ferh and his little brother earned to be blamed at least as much as Bettman.

Edited by ami, 12 September 2012 - 04:34 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 04:34 PM

Apparently talk of a lockout has made Emmerton lose his mind..

@DetroitRedWings: READ: @Cemmer48 talks changing his number (and Twitter hanlde) from 48 to 25. http://t.co/4ucJgjoS http://t.co/9Z3ieMMn

@cemmer48: Btw @D_Mac25 I was thinking of starting a band called Grinder, wanna be the lead singer?

@D_Mac25: @cemmer48 here's the deal u can have my jersey # just stay away from my 19 yr old daughter & I'll sing for the band if you play the keyboard

Maybe I'm overly sensitive with general hockey related rage thanks to the impending lockout, but I don't like this one bit! 25 belongs to Mac, baby!

Hell no. Emmerton can wear #25 on a different team when we trade him away. 25 will ALWAYS be Darren McCarty.
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