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#21 Z and D for the C

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:22 PM

Funny, because Sharks fans badly want him out the door. As would you, for that matter, were you forced to put up with his bonehead penalties, his lack of defensive acumen, and his inconsistency in production. The only thing consistent about his game is his lack of discipline.


He had 21 penalties last season. That isn't any more than Hudler, Franzen, Ericsson or Holmstrom. And way less than doofus Bertuzzi.

That said, he always seems to play well when watch him play us. He seems to have had a down year, but a change of scenery might help and he provides grit we need. He's a legit power forward. Maybe he'd motivate Franzen.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:37 PM

I would LOVE Clowe. That'd be one of the best reasonable trades Holland could make, imo.


Agreed. Clowe would be a fantastic addition for the Red Wings. Obviously Parise should be the main target, but imagine what injecting both Parise and Clowe would do for the top-six. No more having Datsyuk lug around Franzen and Bertuzzi.

Clowe's combination of size, skill and energy is something the Red Wings are desperately lacking. We know Babcock loves having a big body on each line and sadly he hasn't had much to work with in that regard. Bertuzzi is big, but shouldn't be playing in the top-six. Franzen plays like he's Hudler's size and Hudler at least tries but is too small especially for playoff hockey. That's half of the top-six right there and we wonder why Pavel, Z and Filppula look like they have to create everything on their own most games.

Having Clowe around to open up some ice for the skill players would be a huge benefit. Plus, he isn't scared to go into the tough areas of the ice to compete. The Red Wings need more of that in large doses.

I would take Clowe in a heartbeat. I will live with some penalty minutes when you consider all of the other positive attributes he brings to a team. Besides, Bertuzzi is extremely undisciplined. That's a silly argument for not wanting Clowe around.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 09:32 PM

He had 21 penalties last season. That isn't any more than Hudler, Franzen, Ericsson or Holmstrom. And way less than doofus Bertuzzi.

That said, he always seems to play well when watch him play us. He seems to have had a down year, but a change of scenery might help and he provides grit we need. He's a legit power forward. Maybe he'd motivate Franzen.


Unless nearly every single one of his penalties was a major, you're incorrect. He had 97 PIM this season, 100 in the season before, and 131 in the season before that.

And yes, the typical point about "change of scenery" might be true, but it might not. And it's certainly not going to make him more disciplined. More, consider that he racked up those 17 goals playing on a very good 2nd line and is only marginally less expensive than Franzen.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:06 PM

How wicked would trading for Clowe and Pavelski be? We have a ton of good PKers. God that would rock.

...so then why was our PK so bad then? Although Clowe and Pavelski would be a couple of nice additions...

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:18 PM

He had 97 PIM this season, 100 in the season before, and 131 in the season before that.


He had 21 minor penalties and 9 fighting (assuming) majors. That information was a few clicks away from seeing how many PIM he had the past few seasons.


...so then why was our PK so bad then?


Shhh....

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:45 PM

Clowe is 29 and a UFA after the 12/13 season. He might be cheap. Or at least cheaper than someone signed long term. He is the type of plyer we need about 3-4 more of. Big, tough, and gritty. he has been fairly consistant the last 4 years. Right around 20 goals, 60 points, 100 PIM every year.


As for the original question, no on both. 1 is old and expensive, the other plays without heart.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:46 PM

Trade Cleary and Abdelkader for Clowe and sign him to an extension. SJ gets PK help and Wings get the big gritty power forward they so desperately need. But the question is, would the Wings and SJ ever do a trade together?

Iginla is interesting but i'd rather wait a year until he hits FA and will hopefully sign a bargain deal for a shot at the cup if the Wings are in that position.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 11:08 PM

Clowe is 29 and a UFA after the 12/13 season. He might be cheap. Or at least cheaper than someone signed long term. He is the type of plyer we need about 3-4 more of. Big, tough, and gritty. he has been fairly consistant the last 4 years. Right around 20 goals, 60 points, 100 PIM every year.


What on earth makes you think that Clowe's salary would go DOWN when he becomes a UFA?

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 11:21 PM

But the question is, would the Wings and SJ ever do a trade together?


Maybe Stevie can play middle man again. :D

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 11:44 PM

Unless nearly every single one of his penalties was a major, you're incorrect. He had 97 PIM this season, 100 in the season before, and 131 in the season before that.

And yes, the typical point about "change of scenery" might be true, but it might not. And it's certainly not going to make him more disciplined. More, consider that he racked up those 17 goals playing on a very good 2nd line and is only marginally less expensive than Franzen.


Johan Franzen plays every game practically with Pavel frickin Datsyuk. I'd say that's pretty good company for a linemate. So you can't really credit Clowe's goals to the right surroundings without doing the same for Franzen.

Not to mention, all the other things Clowe provides for that slightly less price tag. Does Franzen do anything else besides score goals with the most creative player in hockey? Those 17 goals (in a down season) also bring you size, grit and an actual physical presence to the top-six. Bertuzzi takes more penalties in the offensive zone than just about anyone in hockey, so it's not like the Red Wings would be adding some foreign concept of being undisciplined to the team.
 
 
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 01:15 AM

Johan Franzen plays every game practically with Pavel frickin Datsyuk. I'd say that's pretty good company for a linemate. So you can't really credit Clowe's goals to the right surroundings without doing the same for Franzen.

Not to mention, all the other things Clowe provides for that slightly less price tag. Does Franzen do anything else besides score goals with the most creative player in hockey? Those 17 goals (in a down season) also bring you size, grit and an actual physical presence to the top-six. Bertuzzi takes more penalties in the offensive zone than just about anyone in hockey, so it's not like the Red Wings would be adding some foreign concept of being undisciplined to the team.


If Clowe is so great, then why are so many Sharks fans wanting him out the door?

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 07:50 AM

Clowe is 29 and a UFA after the 12/13 season. He might be cheap. Or at least cheaper than someone signed long term. He is the type of plyer we need about 3-4 more of. Big, tough, and gritty. he has been fairly consistant the last 4 years. Right around 20 goals, 60 points, 100 PIM every year.


As for the original question, no on both. 1 is old and expensive, the other plays without heart.




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Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:47 AM

If Clowe is so great, then why are so many Sharks fans wanting him out the door?


I don't know what your basis is for that, but I'm guessing most Sharks fans are upset with just about everyone on that team by now.

Besides, most Red Wings fans wouldn't care if Franzen left either, so there's always that. If your argument against Clowe stems solely from what their fan base thinks then that doesn't do much to convince me he wouldn't be a great fit here. I have provided numerous reasons why Clowe would be a nice addition, mainly because he gives the Red Wings a lot of things they don't currently possess.
 
 
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:59 AM

:lol: at how this Iginla vs. Semin thread has turned into a Clowe thread...

Topic...If Iginla and Semin were our only two options, I am still going for Iginla. (sorry to disappoint ya kip)

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 12:04 PM

What on earth makes you think that Clowe's salary would go DOWN when he becomes a UFA?



You read that wrong. he will be cheaper to get being a pending UFA. IE cost us fewer players to aquire.

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I guess you are to young to remember when Primeau used to hit guys in the head with his stick while sitting on our bench. If he doesn't get caught, it is a great play. We he about how smart or crafty he is..... Guys have been doing this type of stuff since the begining of time. Kinda like corked bats or cut baseballs.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 02:14 PM

You read that wrong. he will be cheaper to get being a pending UFA. IE cost us fewer players to aquire.




I guess you are to young to remember when Primeau used to hit guys in the head with his stick while sitting on our bench. If he doesn't get caught, it is a great play. We he about how smart or crafty he is..... Guys have been doing this type of stuff since the begining of time. Kinda like corked bats or cut baseballs.


If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin! I'd take Clowe in a trade for sure!

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 04:10 PM

You read that wrong. he will be cheaper to get being a pending UFA. IE cost us fewer players to aquire.




I guess you are to young to remember when Primeau used to hit guys in the head with his stick while sitting on our bench. If he doesn't get caught, it is a great play. We he about how smart or crafty he is..... Guys have been doing this type of stuff since the begining of time. Kinda like corked bats or cut baseballs.


So corked bats, cut baseballs and playing the puck from the bench is ok as long as you don't get caught? :huh:

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 04:14 PM

So corked bats, cut baseballs and playing the puck from the bench is ok as long as you don't get caught? :huh:



Are you 12? no it isn't ok. It is against the rules. But does it happen? yes all the time. The HOF's in every sport are filled with guys who broke the rules.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 04:22 PM

Are you 12? no it isn't ok. It is against the rules. But does it happen? yes all the time. The HOF's in every sport are filled with guys who broke the rules.


You seriously just said "If he doesn't get caught, it is a great play."

I didn't even have to type that. copy and paste.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 04:26 PM

:lol: at how this Iginla vs. Semin thread has turned into a Clowe thread...

Topic...If Iginla and Semin were our only two options, I am still going for Iginla. (sorry to disappoint ya kip)


So you'd rather trade valuable assets for Iginla than sign a UFA Semin?





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