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#81 LeftWinger

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 08:55 PM

lol. The kid has played 111 NCAA hockey games and somehow people think he's earned the right to walk into a spot on one of the premier hockey teams in the National Hockey League? Good try, but this isn't "Mystery Alaska", it takes EXTREMELY rare talent to do that. If he's not elite in the same way that Crosby, Stamkos, Toew was, then he doesn't walk into a spot on the Detroit Red Wings without ever even playing in one of the professional leagues around the world.

Well with 111 NCAA games, he is still better than Kindl in every which way, so if Kindl can hold down a #7, I am sure Schultz could easily take the #6 spot...Besides, if Stuart and Quincey both leave and Suter replaces Lidstrom (hopefully) there are two spots open that neither of which Kindl can fill, Smith will have one of them and that leaves a UFA for the #6. Why not gamble on Schultz? low risk, high reward... It's not like he is walking on and taking a spot from someone, Kindl is no better than a #7 he has had plenty of opportunity to climb the ladder, he hasn't done it...if Schultz doesn't work out, you have Kindl to fall back on until the deadline...low risk, high reward...

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:07 PM

Well with 111 NCAA games, he is still better than Kindl in every which way, so if Kindl can hold down a #7, I am sure Schultz could easily take the #6 spot...Besides, if Stuart and Quincey both leave and Suter replaces Lidstrom (hopefully) there are two spots open that neither of which Kindl can fill, Smith will have one of them and that leaves a UFA for the #6. Why not gamble on Schultz? low risk, high reward... It's not like he is walking on and taking a spot from someone, Kindl is no better than a #7 he has had plenty of opportunity to climb the ladder, he hasn't done it...if Schultz doesn't work out, you have Kindl to fall back on until the deadline...low risk, high reward...


Kindl just finished playing his first season against NHL caliber players. Was he great? No. Did he play professional hockey? Yes. Schultz has never played professional hockey at ANY level.

So at this point you just hope Schultz is better, he hasn't proven af****** thing. You have to remember that Kindl was a first rounder too, so it's not like there's not a huge possibility that guys with tons of potential can have a hard time adjusting to the NHL game.

This kid played 111 games in the second easiest hockey league in North America after the CHL.

Tell me how he's proven that he's better than Kindl? Because he played well against a bunch of 19-20 year olds? Great. And don't even get me started on those saying that he's a better option than Quincey, which is absurd.

I honestly cannot believe I have to argue that dominating college hockey does not, in any way, mean that you're better than a professional NHL player. The only way to prove that is to go to camp and earn a spot, or as I side, be some kind of once in a lifetime talent. Justin Schultz is not, and has not done, either.

Note: Jacub Kindl played 55 games in the hardest hockey league on the planet and scored a goal, had 12 assists, and was a plus 7. Those aren't bad numbers for a rookie seventh defenseman. So how in the world can you say this kid is "better than Kindl in every way"? Honestly, please explain to me how this kid has PROVEN he's better?

Edited by kipwinger, 05 June 2012 - 09:11 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:47 PM

Your a dumbass Kip, maybe Schultz wanted to.. I don't know.. get an EDUCATION!? Something you clearly need.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:50 PM

Your a dumbass Kip, there is a 4 year difference in age.


"YOUR a dumbass". Nice try. Next.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:53 PM

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Easy fellas.. he's watching. LOL :lol:

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:56 PM

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Easy fellas.. he's watching. LOL :lol:


It's not so much that I want to be the grammar police, but I can't help but point out the irony of you bumblef****** your way through a supposed insult about my education. However, if you want to get back to the subject at hand and show me how a college kid with 111 NCAA games under his belt has somehow PROVEN that he's better than Kindl who has about the same number of games played in the National Hockey League, I'd be glad to humor you.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:58 PM

It's not so much that I want to be the grammar police, but I can't help but point out the irony of you bumblef****** your way through a supposed insult about my education. However, if you want to get back to the subject at hand and show me how a college kid with 111 NCAA games under his belt has somehow PROVEN that he's better than Kindl who has about the same number of games played in the National Hockey League, I'd be glad to humor you.


You bring up saying he played in the 2nd easiest league when I don't know maybe the kid wanted to get an education...

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:04 PM

You bring up saying he played in the 2nd easiest league when I don't know maybe the kid wanted to get an education...


you win, that obviously proves he's a better player than Kindl. Rock solid dude.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:09 PM

you win, that obviously proves he's a better player than Kindl. Rock solid dude.

You're (HAPPY 5-0?) sitting here saying Kindl played with NHL caliber players when in fact Kindl is 4 years older then Schultz..

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:36 PM

I can't wait until someone takes a chance on the kid and he turns out to be a stud and kipwinger complains that we never grabbed him. a year ago i was begging people to consider a huddler ericsson and a 1st trade for bogosian and everyone acted like the kid was not worth it. now look at him. He's a number one on winnipeg. we need to take chances on younger players. it can pay off sometimes and otherwise schultz is a tradable asset that we acquired for nothing (or stuarts ufa rights).

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:49 PM

I can't wait until someone takes a chance on the kid and he turns out to be a stud and kipwinger complains that we never grabbed him. a year ago i was begging people to consider a huddler ericsson and a 1st trade for bogosian and everyone acted like the kid was not worth it. now look at him. He's a number one on winnipeg. we need to take chances on younger players. it can pay off sometimes and otherwise schultz is a tradable asset that we acquired for nothing (or stuarts ufa rights).


Exactly! And Wisconsin wasn't very good this year and yet still Schultz was the story of the team. He was always the number 1 player teams would watch out for.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:05 PM

I can't wait until someone takes a chance on the kid and he turns out to be a stud and kipwinger complains that we never grabbed him. a year ago i was begging people to consider a huddler ericsson and a 1st trade for bogosian and everyone acted like the kid was not worth it. now look at him. He's a number one on winnipeg. we need to take chances on younger players. it can pay off sometimes and otherwise schultz is a tradable asset that we acquired for nothing (or stuarts ufa rights).


I never said not to try and land the kid. I just said that's it's stupid to guarantee him anything before you've seen him play against professional hockey players. Read through all my posts and you'll see over and over, "sign him and give him a shot to make the team in camp".

Seriously, I double dare you to quote one single time I said, "don't sign Schultz".

Additionally, I'd submit that one of the reasons that the Wings have been so good for so many years is precisely because they don't "take chances" and promote unproven NCAA players over NHL ready players. Not really sure why any of you think that it's a good time to start doing that.

Edited by kipwinger, 05 June 2012 - 11:14 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:02 AM

How much does a top 5-10 pick in the draft get? That is what Schultz is, but with the added bonus for him of being a UFA. he was a 1st round pick IIRC 3 years ago. he is a lot better than that now. If we can sign him, we do so. No need to discuss this any further. There is zero downside to doing so. The rest is just side show stuff. We have no idea what his demands are money wise, rosters spots etc..... It is all rumor. he is a oung, tall RH Dman. Has plenty fo room to get into the 210-220 pound range. Let's just sign him and be happy, then move onto the next guy.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:14 AM

I find it hilarious how every one is getting boners over Schultz when the bulk of people on this forum have probably never seen him play.

Every few months a new flavour of the week player gets into the media and every one on this forum goes crazy wishing the Wings would sign that player. Last summer so many people were going nuts over Christian Ehroff and/or James Wisniewski and now everyone is happy the Wings didn't touch them. I'm not saying Schultz will/would end up being a disappointment but so many people talk out of their asses about players they literally know nothing about.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:20 AM

I find it hilarious how every one is getting boners over Schultz when the bulk of people on this forum have probably never seen him play.

Every few months a new flavour of the week player gets into the media and every one on this forum goes crazy wishing the Wings would sign that player. Last summer so many people were going nuts over Christian Ehroff and/or James Wisniewski and now everyone is happy the Wings didn't touch them. I'm not saying Schultz will/would end up being a disappointment but so many people talk out of their asses about players they literally know nothing about.


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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:30 AM

I never said not to try and land the kid. I just said that's it's stupid to guarantee him anything before you've seen him play against professional hockey players. Read through all my posts and you'll see over and over, "sign him and give him a shot to make the team in camp".

Seriously, I double dare you to quote one single time I said, "don't sign Schultz".

Additionally, I'd submit that one of the reasons that the Wings have been so good for so many years is precisely because they don't "take chances" and promote unproven NCAA players over NHL ready players. Not really sure why any of you think that it's a good time to start doing that.

I agree 100%.

If the Wings can get him, they should sign him. He isn't a Ryan Suter though. I also would say that Kindl has proven himself in the NHL more than Schultz. If anything, if the Wings sign him, he will play in the AHL for a season.

Just for reference sake...

Brendan Smith netted 12, 23, and 52 points in 95 games in his 3 years at Wisconsin.
Justin Schultz netted 22, 47, and 44 points in 121 games in his 3 years at Wisconsin.

What do these point totals tell us? He was good in college. Maybe a little better than Brendan Smith was. NHL caliber though? That remains to be seen. Put him in the AHL and see how he does.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:09 PM

Schultz should be viewed as step 1 in the signing of young Dmen to continue to rebuild our BL long term. Sign schultz with the intent on having him replacing White for teh 2013 season. Sign Nicastro with the intent of having him replace Kindl for the 2014 season. next spring sign dekeyster with the intent of having him replace big E in a couple of years. all 3 will be 6-2+/200+ buy that time. That as a group has some real potential. Now add in Smith and whatever UFA's we pick up over the next couple of years, and this is a long term solution to the BL. yes not all of these guys will work out as we hope, but that is always the risk with prospects.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:01 PM

Schultz should be viewed as step 1 in the signing of young Dmen to continue to rebuild our BL long term. Sign schultz with the intent on having him replacing White for teh 2013 season. Sign Nicastro with the intent of having him replace Kindl for the 2014 season. next spring sign dekeyster with the intent of having him replace big E in a couple of years. all 3 will be 6-2+/200+ buy that time. That as a group has some real potential. Now add in Smith and whatever UFA's we pick up over the next couple of years, and this is a long term solution to the BL. yes not all of these guys will work out as we hope, but that is always the risk with prospects.

I was with you on replacing White next year...then just when I thought you were making sense you took a big dump on that theory
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 03:32 PM

I was with you on replacing White next year...then just when I thought you were making sense you took a big dump on that theory



Why would you say that? schultz replaces white, per Nill Nicastro is going to sign here soon and play in GR. 2014 gives him 2 years to develop, or not. Kindl also has some time to still develop, he is only 25 after all. but if he doesn't, then Nicastro could be ready to step in. Dekeyser (spelling) signs next spring and has 2 years to develop in GR, getting ready for when big E's contract expires. At best they become replacements and upgrades over White, Kindl, and E. At worst they become trade pieces. There is no real downside here....

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 04:18 PM

It's not so much that I want to be the grammar police, but I can't help but point out the irony of you bumblef****** your way through a supposed insult about my education. However, if you want to get back to the subject at hand and show me how a college kid with 111 NCAA games under his belt has somehow PROVEN that he's better than Kindl who has about the same number of games played in the National Hockey League, I'd be glad to humor you.


He wasn't insultin your education he was saying maybe Schultz wanted to get an education.

Any GM in the league would gladly give up Kindl for Schultz, he is the 3rd most sought after possible free agent right behind Parise and Suter and ahead of a whole bunch of other guys who have already played in the NHL





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