Guest Heaten Report post Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) Nothing negative about being realistic. Do you really think Doan or Selanne are going to leave their respective cities and sign with Detroit? Do you think CBJs are going to trade Nash to Detroit for spare parts and AHL flops? Many here are going to have a HUGE let down. I'm hopeful Holland can somehow land Suter and/or Parise, they are the best options, but I'm not feeling to optimistic about either one of them coming here. The only thing left are Hudler and Holmstrom type players and projects. Under the circumstances, I think Holland should re-sign Hudler. That's a much needed 25+ goals for next season and he knows the system. I would take him over the other (realistic) players that guy listed. Edited June 14, 2012 by Heaten 1 Uncle Danny reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fixxxer 11 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 For the supposed rumored money that he wants I'd rather leave a 25 goal hole in our line up course he could play at league minimum and I'd still let him walk. If he's going to be a one dimensional so called scorer/sniper with lackluster defense and only 25 goals on our team na I'd rather wait for someone else to fill this roll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 Next You failed to see the point and instead decided to be overly negative about nearly every single player on that list. That was a list of 20+ goal scorers that you said does not exist. I was just proving the point that you were inaccurate in your assumption. If we're talking about Hudler leaving and replacing his output, I would take half of those guys in a heartbeat. Namely, Jokinen or Doan. For the supposed rumored money that he wants I'd rather leave a 25 goal hole in our line up course he could play at league minimum and I'd still let him walk. If he's going to be a one dimensional so called scorer/sniper with lackluster defense and only 25 goals on our team na I'd rather wait for someone else to fill this roll. Seriously... you're quite right. Why would we tie ourselves to someone like that? His goals can be largely contributed to the hard work of Datsyuk and Zetterberg who make him look much better when playing together. There are better, more viable options out there, for less. Olli Jokinen, for one, can put up MORE points than Hudler, take faceoffs, and costs less. That's just ONE example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 I wouldn't even consider offering him a contract until I have kicked the tires and lost out on every other option. Stress that even more with Parise and Suter. I wouldn't sign Hudler until I know where I stand on the big contracts. Hell, I wouldn't sign him longer than a year because next year is going to be rough as well. 2 WizardOfOz30 and fixxxer reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted June 14, 2012 You failed to see the point and instead decided to be overly negative about nearly every single player on that list. That was a list of 20+ goal scorers that you said does not exist. I was just proving the point that you were inaccurate in your assumption. If we're talking about Hudler leaving and replacing his output, I would take half of those guys in a heartbeat. Namely, Jokinen or Doan. The nature of my post was who Holland could reasonably land. I think the chances of landing Selanne and Doan are zip to zilch, with a little bit of nada peppered in. Semin is the best guy on your list and he's going to get serious overpayment... and Capitals fans are going to rejoice when he's gone. They really, really hate him. To them, he's a bigger whipping boy than Hudler is to use. Atleast Hudler can score some key goals and clutch times. Needless to say, Semin only scored 21 goals last year (contract year) while Hudler scored 25 (on a contract year) while earning less money. That speaks volumes about motivation. So, why stop at Doan? Why not have Holland go after Toews or Malkin? It has about as much logic to it. Doan is going to retire a Coyote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 The nature of my post was who Holland could reasonably land. I think the chances of landing Selanne and Doan are zip to zilch, with a little bit of nada peppered in. Semin is the best guy on your list and he's going to get serious overpayment... and Capitals fans are going to rejoice when he's gone. They really, really hate him. To them, he's a bigger whipping boy than Hudler is to use. Atleast Hudler can score some key goals and clutch times. Needless to say, Semin only scored 21 goals last year (contract year) while Hudler scored 25 (on a contract year) while earning less money. That speaks volumes about motivation. So, why stop at Doan? Why not have Holland go after Toews or Malkin? It has about as much logic to it. Doan is going to retire a Coyote. Quite right. And Selanne will retire a Duck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobbles 252 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 i am not pro hudler by any means, especially if he wants too much money. but the dude was a great contributor last year. only 20 forwards in the entire league scored more even strength goals than he did. http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20122ALLFAFALL&sort=evenStrengthGoals&viewName=goals to me that is a VERY important stat. even strength scoring is where you really make a difference. sure hudler has his flaws, but so does every single other potential replacement. i would love to see parise signed as his replacement. it would be sweet. but its not a likely scenario. so if it doesn't happen i would welcome hudler back at a moderate salary increase. 1 Motown4013 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fixxxer 11 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 Needless to say, Semin only scored 21 goals last year (contract year) while Hudler scored 25 (on a contract year) while earning less money. That speaks volumes about motivation. If this is the best we see out of hudler on his contract year with some of our top players its sad to see. I don't really care for Semin at all but Was did have a horrid year this year in his defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hey man nice shot! 144 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 I wouldn't even consider offering him a contract until I have kicked the tires and lost out on every other option. Stress that even more with Parise and Suter. I wouldn't sign Hudler until I know where I stand on the big contracts. Hell, I wouldn't sign him longer than a year because next year is going to be rough as well. /Agree and we are not helping our situation the last few years out by replacing broken pieces with the same people. = only if we have no other way to go. 1 Majsheppard reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,440 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 Resigning Hudler isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it does ensure that Nyquist will not see regular playing time this coming year as he's not suited for a third or fourth line role on this team. So that's essentially the trade off, unless someone wants to see both Hudler and Nyquist in our top six...but I certainly don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted June 14, 2012 Resigning Hudler isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it does ensure that Nyquist will not see regular playing time this coming year as he's not suited for a third or fourth line role on this team. So that's essentially the trade off, unless someone wants to see both Hudler and Nyquist in our top six...but I certainly don't. I love Nyquist but I'd rather Wings not rush him. he's not the answer to the top scoring up front yet... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,440 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 I love Nyquist but I'd rather Wings not rush him. he's not the answer to the top scoring up front yet... I agree, but Holland has said that Nyquist and Smith will be on the team this year and Nyquist's talent is wasted on either of the bottom two lines. Therefore, the only way to have him AND Hudler in the lineup at the same time while still utilizing their skill sets is to put them both in the top six...and I certainly don't want that. However, if we can land a top line winger to play with Datsyuk, then Hudler's 25 goals aren't as important as they were last year, and you can bring in Nyquist without putting too much pressure on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) Uhh... Olli Jokinen made $3 mil last season and had 23 goals for Calgary (playing between lines 1-3). If we lost Hudler and wanted to replace his output, I'd go for Jokinen around 3.5-4 mil. I think Jokinen for $2-3m a year plus an additional $1-1.5m in McDonald's gift certificates would work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Urx2OM6s6s Edited June 16, 2012 by ogreslayer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted June 14, 2012 I agree, but Holland has said that Nyquist and Smith will be on the team this year and Nyquist's talent is wasted on either of the bottom two lines. Therefore, the only way to have him AND Hudler in the lineup at the same time while still utilizing their skill sets is to put them both in the top six...and I certainly don't want that. However, if we can land a top line winger to play with Datsyuk, then Hudler's 25 goals aren't as important as they were last year, and you can bring in Nyquist without putting too much pressure on him. I think Nyquist would look better on the 3rd line. We just don't have a center to feed him pucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,440 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 I think Nyquist would look better on the 3rd line. We just don't have a center to feed him pucks Nyquist isn't really a finisher, and I certainly don't think that's he's more suited to the third lines roles of physicality, scoring, and good defense than Bertuzzi and Cleary are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted June 14, 2012 Brooks Laich like would make a hell of a 3rd line center, move Helm to the 4th line and Abby on the 4th line Wing. Rotate Nyquist / Bert / Cleary on the 1st line. Rumor was Caps would trade Brooks Laich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,908 Report post Posted June 14, 2012 All sounds wonderful...just NO HUDLER! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey13Playa 240 Report post Posted June 15, 2012 I think Jokinen for $2-3m a year plus an additional $1-1.5m in McDonald's gift certificates would work [video}http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Urx2OM6s6s Haha his accent is awesome when he says "I went and had a big mac meal at MAC donalds. Lol! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted June 15, 2012 Stewart got 3 million and he only had 30 points last year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pucktividi 472 Report post Posted June 15, 2012 Atleast Hudler can score some key goals and clutch times. Needless to say, Semin only scored 21 goals last year (contract year) while Hudler scored 25 (on a contract year) while earning less money. That speaks volumes about motivation. Not a Hudler hater,nor Semin fan,but motivated Hudler is capable of scoring 25 goals and yet motivated Semin has scored 40 goals not so long ago,so If I must pick one of them I'd rather take Semin for around $5mil. than Happy Huds for around $4mil. 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted June 15, 2012 Scott Gomez gets paid 8 mil per goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krayzie_Bone 58 Report post Posted June 15, 2012 I honestly would resign Hudler for cheap if you can. He is a perfect 4rth liner that can slide up to second line if injuries happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted June 15, 2012 I honestly would resign Hudler for cheap if you can. He is a perfect 4rth liner that can slide up to second line if injuries happen. No no no. We need size and snarl on the 4th line. Moen or Prust. Both would be great. Parise and Suter are the top 2 targets and then we add the big banger for the 4th line and try to emulate what the Kings have. A 4th line which can play and wear teams down. Hudler wears no one down but the strippers he buys trying to get a red light discount of the day special. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,440 Report post Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Not a Hudler hater,nor Semin fan,but motivated Hudler is capable of scoring 25 goals and yet motivated Semin has scored 40 goals not so long ago,so If I must pick one of them I'd rather take Semin for around $5mil. than Happy Huds for around $4mil. I agree. Plus, at 6'1 and 210 lbs. Semin is ALWAYS going to be harder to play against than Huds. Also, how much of Semin's under performance was himself, and how much of it was Washington's mismanagement. I've said before and I'll say again, Bruce Boudreau was a terrible coach for young players because he's not the type of guy that forces players to work within a system to achieve results. As a result Washington squandered one of the most talented rosters in hockey year after year after year. Get Semin onto a team where he's expected to do a particular job and is held accountable, and I believe he'll be just like the long list of players who have learned how to play a full game in Detroit. Not too long ago Dan Cleary was accused of taking shifts off and not playing defense, so was Bertuzzi, and Hossa. They all did a complete turn around once they came here. No reason to believe Semin couldn't do the same. I consider it a reclamation project, and one that could really pay off, if the reports are true and Semin would consider a pay cut to play here. Obviously there are question marks with the guy, and he's no guarantee, but he might well be worth the gamble if a more consistently proven scoring winger (Parise) can't be acquired. Edit: Sniper much? Edited June 15, 2012 by kipwinger 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Not a Hudler hater,nor Semin fan,but motivated Hudler is capable of scoring 25 goals and yet motivated Semin has scored 40 goals not so long ago,so If I must pick one of them I'd rather take Semin for around $5mil. than Happy Huds for around $4mil. I think Semin is looking to get 6+ million and maybe more. And why couldn't he? Leino got $6million during FA. Semin should get close to $7million by those standards. Leino signed a long contract to circumvent the cap. I really, really hope Holland doesn't do that unless it's for a proven star like Suter. So the question is do you take Hudler for $4 or Semin for $7? Edited June 15, 2012 by Heaten Share this post Link to post Share on other sites