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#21 T-Ruff

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 06:40 PM

Here is why I think it's the hardest trophy to win:

NFL: You play 16 regular season games, 4 playoff games in 5 weeks at the most. vs the NHL 82 regular season games and 2 months of a grind in the playoffs. Then consider the fact the roster is like 50 players and the actual playing time is barely over 10 minutes per 60 minute game.

World Cup/Euro: You play like 3 preliminary games and then 5 or so playoff games? Yeah its hard to make the team, and the tournaments are rarer, but it's not a "difficult" tournament to win compared to the NHL playoffs especially.

NBA: Close to the NHL but not nearly as physical or intense.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 07:43 PM

Wouldn't the Champions League be toughest trophy to win? Since you're competing with all of Europe and not just one league.

Also, the average NHL team has a better chance of winning the Cup than the average European soccer club has of winning the CL. Simply because only the rich clubs can take a real stab at the trophy. There's more parity in the NHL where anyone can take a stab at the Cup in a season or two.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:32 PM

Did you know that in football the ball is only in motion about 11 mins out of every game? That seems like a lot of standing or "huddling" to me.


The NHL definitely has the toughest season and the toughest playoffs.


So what if in football the balls in motion for only 11 minutes a game, it doesnt mean the games not any tougher. Each play the players are going against each other using all their strength to try and move a big lineman out of the way and try and tackle the ball carrier. And if the coaches dont take them out for a substitution they get 20-30 seconds of rest and then they do it all over again.

theres a reason that most football teams dont start practicing again after a game until Wednesday

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:20 PM

I think people are underestimating the schedule and demand of basketball. They play a very similar schedule to the NHL with as many games. Anyone that has played ball even in low ranked college leagues know its far from a cake walk. Doing wind sprints up and down the court for 2 minutes straight only to get a 20 sec break is not for the untrained. Granted the potential for physical injury is always less in basketball but when you get a bunch of 6 1/2 foot plus, 200# + guys with long arms and elbows like spears, broken noses and the like are likely. Basketball is and always will be a finesse sport though. Unless you are a center or forward, you arent risking much of anything as far as physical damage save for a sprained ankle. The playoffs also have the lame best of 5 rounds that lessen the victory itself.

Nevertheless, the Cup is the ultimate crucible to end a very long and arguis sp? season . It has the longest season if you include 7 games x 4 rounds, its also the most physically demanding both for conditioning but also toughness. Not much to say beyond that. When you may possibly play 110 games of full contact, full throttle hockey and win it, it proves that you are probably the most elite athletes in the world.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:56 PM

I think people are underestimating the schedule and demand of basketball. They play a very similar schedule to the NHL with as many games. Anyone that has played ball even in low ranked college leagues know its far from a cake walk. Doing wind sprints up and down the court for 2 minutes straight only to get a 20 sec break is not for the untrained. Granted the potential for physical injury is always less in basketball but when you get a bunch of 6 1/2 foot plus, 200# + guys with long arms and elbows like spears, broken noses and the like are likely. Basketball is and always will be a finesse sport though. Unless you are a center or forward, you arent risking much of anything as far as physical damage save for a sprained ankle. The playoffs also have the lame best of 5 rounds that lessen the victory itself.

Nevertheless, the Cup is the ultimate crucible to end a very long and arguis sp? season . It has the longest season if you include 7 games x 4 rounds, its also the most physically demanding both for conditioning but also toughness. Not much to say beyond that. When you may possibly play 110 games of full contact, full throttle hockey and win it, it proves that you are probably the most elite athletes in the world.


the NBA hasnt had the best of 5 first rounds since the 2002-2003 season

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:17 PM

the NBA hasnt had the best of 5 first rounds since the 2002-2003 season


Christ has it been that long? I stopped following Basketball after the Kings owners ditched the whole team in an effort to get them moved and havent watched since. Sorry about that and it reminded me that Im getting that much older where 10 years ago seems like just yesterday.

Edited by Cali-Wing-Nut, 12 June 2012 - 10:18 PM.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:40 AM

Wouldn't the Champions League be toughest trophy to win? Since you're competing with all of Europe and not just one league.

Also, the average NHL team has a better chance of winning the Cup than the average European soccer club has of winning the CL. Simply because only the rich clubs can take a real stab at the trophy. There's more parity in the NHL where anyone can take a stab at the Cup in a season or two.


Out of all the football leagues, tournaments etc, the Champions League is definately the hardest to win, as proven by the fact that since it was introduced, no team has ever retained the trophy since its inception, whereas in the old European Cup teams regularly won 2 or 3 on the bounce. Even the current Barcelona side, widely hailed as perhaps the greatest club team of all time haven't been able to win back-to-back CLs.

I should make clear I'm claiming its as hard physically as the Stanley Cup, or TdF, because it isn't.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 07:17 AM

They are all difficult to obtain, just depends on your terms of hard or grinding.

No need to elaborate on the NHL, we all know the wear/tear of it. I'll lay out some others.

NBA - I know it's not many's cup of tea in here, mine either, I barely watch it until the playoffs start but it gets entertaining the closer you get to the Finals. Similar season to the NHL in terms of number of games played and length. Could make a case that it is difficult to win a championship in that regard.

NFL - The least amount of games in any league but arguably the most physical and wear/tear league out there. What most the players have to put their bodies through at least 16 games and in practices for most of the week leading up to the game is very demanding. A lot like the NHL, if you can get hot at the right time you can win it all, low playoff seeds have won in recent years (Green Bay, Pittsburgh Steelers, etc.). Doesn't make it right/wrong, easier/more difficult to win to me, just how the playoffs are determined and regardless of your seed, the season is still a grind.

MLB - Probably the least demanding physically or at least in terms of contact, but could easily make a case for the most grinding/travel as you are constantly on the road and play 160+ games a season, often in hot weather. That's a ton of games and the playoffs are probably the most difficult to make since only 8 teams make it to the postseason I believe out of 30ish.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:35 AM

So what if in football the balls in motion for only 11 minutes a game, it doesnt mean the games not any tougher. Each play the players are going against each other using all their strength to try and move a big lineman out of the way and try and tackle the ball carrier. And if the coaches dont take them out for a substitution they get 20-30 seconds of rest and then they do it all over again.

theres a reason that most football teams dont start practicing again after a game until Wednesday


Now divide the 11min by an offensive line and defensive line and special teams blah blah blah, not to mention there are several players that never ever see contact. Football is way overrated IMO.

I also think one of the main reasons it is so popular in the US is at a rate of 81.6% of the game dedicated to standing around it is a perfect opportunity for commercials. Yet another way corporations are driving the masses interest. Just sayin.

Edited by redwingmachine, 14 June 2012 - 10:39 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 11:53 AM

This sums up exactly how I feel about the NFL and why I feel that the NHL is second to none (especially the NFL) in professional sports in terms of quality, competitiveness, and athleticism. Enjoy.

http://sportsillustr.../nfl/index.html

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:30 PM

This sums up exactly how I feel about the NFL and why I feel that the NHL is second to none (especially the NFL) in professional sports in terms of quality, competitiveness, and athleticism. Enjoy.

http://sportsillustr.../nfl/index.html


that was brilliant.

i gave up on football in the late 80's.

the dancing around and celebrating for doing their job...you know, like tackle someone...was too much for me. i noticed that football was akin to chess, with overweight, barely mobile "athletes". sure they can bench 4000lbs. but they would be zombie snacks if they ever had to run.
to me, this became part sport, part human insanity. my role models will never be, pink fuzzy jacket guys, entourage equipped, overweight sumo types,dog fight organizers, third person conversationalist, or super prima donnas that lost their reality.

Americas obsession with mediocrity has wore thin on my senses.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:31 PM

This article brings up an interesting point about NFL vs NHL playoffs.

"To win the Superbowl a team must be the better team through 44 minutes of play.
To win the Stanley Cup a team must be the better team through a minimum of 16 hours of play."

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:57 PM

This article brings up an interesting point about NFL vs NHL playoffs.

"To win the Superbowl a team must be the better team through 44 minutes of play.
To win the Stanley Cup a team must be the better team through a minimum of 16 hours of play."

My link


This article is awesome. I wish I could send it over to the guys at "PTI" or "Around the Horn" and then ask them why they get so worked up over such a garbage game.

Edited by kipwinger, 14 June 2012 - 02:09 PM.

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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:27 PM

As for basketball, here are my thoughts:

1. Way too many time-outs.
2. If you can score over 100pts in a single game, maybe it is too easy for the players.
3. Why is everyone amazed by a 7ft tall giant that drives the net and dunks on a helpless defender that can't do ANYTHING to stop him?
4. It's a game of embellishment. Nothing is more annoying than a 7ft tall giant flopping around like Joe Thornton after a little bump with an elbow.

As for baseball:
1. The sport is so slow and boring, even the announcers lose focus drift off most of the time.
2. Sports need a time keeping system not this seemingly never ending inning system, makes the game d-r-a-g.
3. You can't call it a world series unless the world participates.
4. The batter needs to step up to the plate ready to play... none of this: swing at a pitch then step out and take a few more swings, stretch out, tap the shoes again, adjust, then step back in. BE READY!

NHL or ice hockey in general is the only sport for me!

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 07:56 PM

I believe it's one of the hardest to win, but for anyone to declare which sport is the hardest to win a championship in is only stating there opinion. Unless someone has personally played in every pro sport and won a championship they have no way of knowing this.

The NHL is hands down my favorite league, and the Wings are my favorite team of any sport. I've only really started getting into the NFL the last couple years, and I have to say an NFL playoff game is pretty damn brutal, so much so that there is NOWAY they could play a best of seven series in two weeks. There wouldn't be enough healthy players left to field a team.

I'm a hockey fan first, while I might want to believe the cup is the hardest to win, it would only be my opinion.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 08:00 PM

Out of all the football leagues, tournaments etc, the Champions League is definately the hardest to win, as proven by the fact that since it was introduced, no team has ever retained the trophy since its inception, whereas in the old European Cup teams regularly won 2 or 3 on the bounce. Even the current Barcelona side, widely hailed as perhaps the greatest club team of all time haven't been able to win back-to-back CLs.

I should make clear I'm claiming its as hard physically as the Stanley Cup, or TdF, because it isn't.


Oh, I also think hockey is far tougher physically, but I still think the Champions League is tougher to win for the reasons I stated above.

More teams, more leagues, and not enough competition across the board.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:19 PM

All the North American pro sports trophies are made of sterling silver. This means they are all relatively the same hardness.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 12:33 PM

What about the Triple Crown in horse racing? It's been a long time since anyone won that.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:31 PM

Of the North American sports, its obviously a toss-up between the NFL and NHL. Don't forget the inclement weather that some of those playoff games are played in.....brrrrr!

Overall though, I think it would be hard to top the Tour De France. 21 stages in 23 days, 150km+ in the saddle everyday, in baking heat and freezing rain, up the sides of enormous mountains, then down the other side at 50, 60, 70mph with no protection. Broken collarbones are to professional cyclists what missing teeth are to hockey players.

Good point.

Rugby too is pretty damn tough.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 02:45 AM

Yep, definately Rugby - it has all the physical intensity of the NFL,only without the body armour and constant breaks in play. It would be hard to say which is the toughest Rugby tournament, the Rugby World Cup has too many meaningless games against minnows when there are realistically only 6 teams that can win it.

Also, would it be fair to say the NFL has the most rampant drug abuse of any sport anywhere in the world?

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