Dabura 12,206 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) How do you figure? I'm extremely discouraged by this cap clearing stuff Pittsburgh is up to. Datsyuk and Zetterberg will be 34 and 32 this season. Crosby and Malkin will be 25 and 26 are a better pair of players comparing them as pairs. Crosby and Parise are friends, from his perspective it seems like a no brainer considering the length of time you're virtually guaranteed to be a contender. Well, for starters, the Pens don't have their s*** together. They had a complete and utter meltdown against the Flyers. They were dismantled, exposed. They were obliterated. So now they're gonna run out and get 2-3 defensively sound superstars to fix their problems - instead of what they should do, which is learn to play some f****** defense (and tell MAF his job is on the line this season). Parise would be the new J. Staal - the third-fiddle workhorse who allows the offensive magic to happen in the regular season without Cwosby and Mawkin having to play any defense. Crosby and Malkin may be the two biggest names in the league - but I like to think Parise's a little smarter than that. Edited June 25, 2012 by Dabura 1 Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,935 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 Kenny will have just as much cash to offer both of them...I know you guys are convinced that Z will be the C, but hear me out, if that C is something Kenny has to dangle in front of Suter or Parise in order to have a trump on everyone else, then so be it. In this knock down drag out fight called UFA, you have to make your offer the most attractive to the player...Pit can offer the max, Minny can offer the max, a lot of teams can offer the max, Detroit can offer the max...but Detroit also has a vacant C they can offer... I know you guys have said the C needs to be earned, but you cannot tell me these guys haven't earned a C in all their years in the NHL. Holland and Babcock respect these guy to the nth degree (along with Z) and I am sure they would not hesitate to put that C on one of them if that were the deciding factor between $8M in Pit and $8M in Detroit... I am sure Z wouldn't mind either, if it meant landing these guys and winning multiple Cups for the remainder of his contract...when it comes down to everyone being able to offer the same amount of cash, it's all about presenting the most attractive package. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozone923 31 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Well, for starters, the Pens don't have their s*** together. They had a complete and utter meltdown against the Flyers. They were dismantled, exposed. They were obliterated. So now they're gonna run out and get 2-3 defensively sound superstars to fix their problems - instead of what they should do, which is learn to play some f****** defense (and tell MAF his job is on the line this season). Parise would be the new J. Staal - the third-fiddle workhorse who allows the offensive magic to happen in the regular season without Cwosby an Mawkin having to play any defense. Crosby and Malkin may be the two biggest names in the league - but I like to think Parise's a little smarter than that. 100% agree ^^^ And LeftWinger, I really don't think dangling a C is something we should or would do. Theres a system of beliefs that goes with being a part of the Red Wing organization and it means you work your ass of and you reap the rewards. Dangling a C is a sickening (IMO) disrespect to Zetterberg first of all, and second... I really truly don't believe Parise and Suter are the types of guys that would see dangling a C as a good pitch. Put yourself in Parise's shoes for example. Epic dynasty Detroit dangles a C at you to get you to sign... I see that as desperate and unlike the organization they have been for the past 21 years. Just my 2 cents on that. Edited June 25, 2012 by ozone923 1 Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashyG 1,799 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 I think dangling a C at them just adds to the pressure they'd have on them, especially in Suter's case since he'll already have the pressure of trying to fill Lidstrom's shoes. I think Detroits biggest selling point is our consistency and our reputation for how well we treat our players. As much as its been said that Parise and Suter might prefer playing with players closer to their age, it should also be pointed out that if they indeed want to finish their careers where they sign, having a roster full of vets who openly state they'd retire before playing anywhere else has to be a ringing endorsement for the Wings system. 1 ozone923 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted June 25, 2012 I recall the Wings giving Shanahan an "A" in his first game with the Wings. However, you earn your way with the Wings. As much as I like Parise and Suter, Z will be the captain and Dats will still be one of the alternates. Maybe Parise gets that oher "A", I don't know. We need to wait until Parise and Suter are signed before we think of this anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 So to free up cash to take runs at the two top free agents of the 2012 offseason the Penguins traded dumped their top signing from the 2010 offseason (Michalek signed a 5 year deal with the Pens on July 1st, 2010 only to be dumped on his ass back with the team he ran away from two years ago) and are rumoured to be shopping their other top offseason aquistion from that same offseason (Martin signed a 5 year deal with the Pens on July 1st, 2010). What does that say to free agents who want to sign with Pitts? Michalek and Martin were the top defensive UFAs two years ago and now they're being tossed aside for the next hot thing with 3 years remaining on their respective deals... Players definitely notice that sort of behaviour. 5 FlashyG, Hockeymom1960, xtrememachine1 and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hey man nice shot! 144 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Kenny will have just as much cash to offer both of them...I know you guys are convinced that Z will be the C, but hear me out, if that C is something Kenny has to dangle in front of Suter or Parise in order to have a trump on everyone else, then so be it. In this knock down drag out fight called UFA, you have to make your offer the most attractive to the player...Pit can offer the max, Minny can offer the max, a lot of teams can offer the max, Detroit can offer the max...but Detroit also has a vacant C they can offer... I know you guys have said the C needs to be earned, but you cannot tell me these guys haven't earned a C in all their years in the NHL. Holland and Babcock respect these guy to the nth degree (along with Z) and I am sure they would not hesitate to put that C on one of them if that were the deciding factor between $8M in Pit and $8M in Detroit... I am sure Z wouldn't mind either, if it meant landing these guys and winning multiple Cups for the remainder of his contract...when it comes down to everyone being able to offer the same amount of cash, it's all about presenting the most attractive package. As much as i would like to have either with them we are known for our traditions and thats what makes this team attractive. Leave our traditions and all we get is players seeking money and ignoring what makes us the Detroit Redwings.Hank will be capt reguardless of who walks into the dressingroom this fall. Edited June 25, 2012 by Hey man nice shot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) edit: wrong thread Edited June 25, 2012 by Drake_Marcus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 So to free up cash to take runs at the two top free agents of the 2012 offseason the Penguins traded dumped their top signing from the 2010 offseason (Michalek signed a 5 year deal with the Pens on July 1st, 2010 only to be dumped on his ass back with the team he ran away from two years ago) and are rumoured to be shopping their other top offseason aquistion from that same offseason (Martin signed a 5 year deal with the Pens on July 1st, 2010). What does that say to free agents who want to sign with Pitts? Michalek and Martin were the top defensive UFAs two years ago and now they're being tossed aside for the next hot thing with 3 years remaining on their respective deals... Players definitely notice that sort of behaviour. I didn't notice that the Pens did that with Michalek. Hopefully Parise and Suter see this and decide to go to a team like the Wings that signs and actually keeps guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,935 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Drake has a great point...this is why I argued with centcougertownyahoo that Detroit is a place where players sign and more times than not end their careers here... The pens fans like to make fun of living in Detroit, but I guess they don't realize that where the players live is actually one of the richest counties in America. Ya, I guess those two guys were the flavor of the week in Pit.. I am glad Staal realized what type of crap organization this was and decided not to accept that 10 year offer...Wonder is Cindy is going to have the balls to flip the bird at that mickey mouse organization one day? (no offense meant to New Jersey with that comment) EDIT:speaking cougar, wonder where he went? Edited June 25, 2012 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey13Playa 240 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 Drake has a great point...this is why I argued with centcougertownyahoo that Detroit is a place where players sign and more times than not end their careers here... The pens fans like to make fun of living in Detroit, but I guess they don't realize that where the players live is actually one of the richest counties in America. Ya, I guess those two guys were the flavor of the week in Pit.. I am glad Staal realized what type of crap organization this was and decided not to accept that 10 year offer...Wonder is Cindy is going to have the balls to flip the bird at that mickey mouse organization one day? (no offense meant to New Jersey with that comment) EDIT:speaking cougar, wonder where he went? I thought I read/heard/saw something about Crosby's favorite team growing up was Montreal. I could see him going there if he was to leave Pittsburgh. But I think the kid will be a lifer in steel city. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwing19 11 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 this should keep zach parise away from signing with pitts this should keep zach parise away from signing with pitts ... ps. edit last post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
centcougar07 216 Report post Posted July 6, 2012 This isn't news.. This is someone speculating. People around here keep saying we're going to get both parise and suter.. Doesn't mean it's gunna happen. But I think if there's any team that gets both of them, it's the wings. Michael Russo of the Star-Tribune: "The Wild have more than $20 million in salary cap space and will be targeting "NHL talent." The Wild are desperate for scoring and are expected to offer Zach Parise as much as $8-9 million a year." I doubt 8-9 even gets him to go to the wild.. I dont even kno why the wild even think they have a chance at landing parise. Gee Mr, Russo, seems like that is a cookie cutter headline if I ever read one! <insert team and $$$$$ under the cap here> The difference is Mr. Russo of the Star Tribune, the Red Wings are looking to get back to the Cup final and Parise will help them do that. You have no one to help Parise get to the final on the Wild... BTW, where has centcougartown been? Maybe he is getting more love for his expertise on callofthewildprospectpool.com... I'm going to laugh so hard if the Wild don't sign Parise. Seriously every hockey fan I know right now here in MN thinks the Wild are signing Parise. We shall see... Drake has a great point...this is why I argued with centcougertownyahoo that Detroit is a place where players sign and more times than not end their careers here... The pens fans like to make fun of living in Detroit, but I guess they don't realize that where the players live is actually one of the richest counties in America. Ya, I guess those two guys were the flavor of the week in Pit.. I am glad Staal realized what type of crap organization this was and decided not to accept that 10 year offer...Wonder is Cindy is going to have the balls to flip the bird at that mickey mouse organization one day? (no offense meant to New Jersey with that comment) EDIT:speaking cougar, wonder where he went? I'm right here bud, come at me! Everybody doubted that this would happen. Now all of a sudden the Wild's roster looks a LOT better than the Wings roster. I have to say, I told you so. Going to be interesting to see how this year shakes down and how the Wings find answers for their many questions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 6, 2012 I'm right here bud, come at me! Everybody doubted that this would happen. Now all of a sudden the Wild's roster looks a LOT better than the Wings roster. I have to say, I told you so. Going to be interesting to see how this year shakes down and how the Wings find answers for their many questions. No, now the Minnesota roster looks almost like an NHL roster. It's still a bad, bad roster, even with Parise and Suter on it. I agree though that the Wings will have to get creative this year and it's going to be an interesting off season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,935 Report post Posted July 7, 2012 I'm right here bud, come at me! Everybody doubted that this would happen. Now all of a sudden the Wild's roster looks a LOT better than the Wings roster. I have to say, I told you so. Going to be interesting to see how this year shakes down and how the Wings find answers for their many questions. No need to come at you anymore...you got the UFA's...yet you only quote stuff from June...where is the stuff quoting Parise when he said if it weren't for family he'd be back in NJ....sounds like he only chose minny for family... oh and right from Suter's lips he was going to pick Detroit but was talked into Minny by family and Boy George. Sounds like he only chose minny for family. I cannot argue family ties...and if they both had family in Seattle, they'd be in Vancouver right now...you got them, congrats, but don't think you won because of the Wild's stellar history or future. Detroit, Pitt, Chicago, Philly are all better places to play if you want to win on a consistent basis. The Wild have a 3 year window to win now..if they don't, it will be rebuild again and then Suter will be kicking himself for listening to his in-laws and barney rubble... For you sake, I hope you get that Cup in that window...then you can happily and deservedly come in here and gloat...but gloating because the Wild just happen to be in St. Paul and you got these two by default, doesn't win you anything...except the fact that you did say long ago that you felt they would go home to play...but if they chose Detroit, we'd have been right, if they chose Pit, they would have been right...someone was going to be right and 29 other were going to be wrong... Don't just pick and chose things to make yourself look smarter than what you are...be humble enough to admit, you only got them because of family, if it weren't for that, they wouldn't be there...they didn't pick you because you are their best chance to win consistently...so get over yourself. And no, I am not sour grapes, would've loved to have Suter, but cannot fight family ties...I feel good that he was coming here, but went with family...too bad choosing family will pretty much guarantee never winning a Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
centcougar07 216 Report post Posted July 7, 2012 No need to come at you anymore...you got the UFA's...yet you only quote stuff from June...where is the stuff quoting Parise when he said if it weren't for family he'd be back in NJ....sounds like he only chose minny for family... oh and right from Suter's lips he was going to pick Detroit but was talked into Minny by family and Boy George. Sounds like he only chose minny for family. I cannot argue family ties...and if they both had family in Seattle, they'd be in Vancouver right now...you got them, congrats, but don't think you won because of the Wild's stellar history or future. Detroit, Pitt, Chicago, Philly are all better places to play if you want to win on a consistent basis. The Wild have a 3 year window to win now..if they don't, it will be rebuild again and then Suter will be kicking himself for listening to his in-laws and barney rubble... For you sake, I hope you get that Cup in that window...then you can happily and deservedly come in here and gloat...but gloating because the Wild just happen to be in St. Paul and you got these two by default, doesn't win you anything...except the fact that you did say long ago that you felt they would go home to play...but if they chose Detroit, we'd have been right, if they chose Pit, they would have been right...someone was going to be right and 29 other were going to be wrong... Don't just pick and chose things to make yourself look smarter than what you are...be humble enough to admit, you only got them because of family, if it weren't for that, they wouldn't be there...they didn't pick you because you are their best chance to win consistently...so get over yourself. And no, I am not sour grapes, would've loved to have Suter, but cannot fight family ties...I feel good that he was coming here, but went with family...too bad choosing family will pretty much guarantee never winning a Cup. 1. Suter never said that. I challenge you to find that quote from him. 2. Apparently Parise and Suter don't agree with you! Sure, family was a big part of it. They both liked the idea of playing at home close to their family. At the end of the day, 2 premier players in the NHL decided to sign for the rest of their careers for less money they got from other offers and they didn't do so entirely because of family or money. They did it because they like the long term outlook of Minnesota starting now. It's not like these are 4 year deals where they aren't showing any commitment. 3. How do the Wild have a three year window? If anything, id say the window hasn't even opened yet. I think they are a playoff team but not a cup team right now. However, in a year or two, the Wild are going to be scary good. Mikael Granlund, Charlie Coyle, Jonas Brodin, Matt Dumba, Matt Hackett, Marco Scandella, all blue chip prospects. Then there's guys like Jason Zucker, Johan Larsson, Zach Phillips, Mario Lucia, Erik Haula, Brett Bulmer, Justin Fontaine, Tyler Cuma, Darcy Kuemper, Johan Gustaffson.... All these guys have very high potential and can at least be roll players in the NHL. Now there may be a few who never pan out, everybody knows that sometimes that happens. But there's no way that the Wild have a "3 year window to win". It's a safe bet to say anyone who says that is either ignorant, stupid or uneducated. Or, in your case, a desperate Wings fan trying his best to discount reality and put off the inevitable. I feel for you, I really do. 4. Yes, except I was the one who was right. And 'against all odds' according to pretty much everyone INCLUDING Wild fans. 5. Wrong again. You don't sign a 13 year contract with a full NMC because you think you can't win there. 6. Ha, well the Wild are a playoff team now, that's almost a given. And with how even the league is these days, all you have to do is get in to the playoffs and you can win it all. Not saying it will happen, not by a long shot, but they WILL be a playoff team, that's my next prediction. And once they get there, who knows what can happen. I personally hope we play the Red Wings because then we'll be guaranteed at LEAST one series victory. Kidding of course, but I DO hope we meet up in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted July 15, 2012 Now he's reinvented himself, fresh start and all, starting with a new pronunciation of his surname. Kind of like "The Player Formerly Known As..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted July 15, 2012 If Suter and Parise really wanted to win and the Cup was important to them they wouldn't milk their team for as much as they can because it just makes it harder for them to build and maintain a good team around them. Just another reason I am glad we didn't sign them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 15, 2012 Parise talk starts at about 28 but I was trying to give some perspective on the conversation by having people listen to a couple minutes of other hockey talk. I think it's bad news because here we have an expert with an in on the whole situation saying he would be shocked if he didn't end up with the Wild. The conversation also goes on at the 35:45 mark as well. It's hilarious to look back and read some of the posts that this guy made when he was still pretending to be a Wings fan. Hahaha.. 4 number9, RedStormRising, Drake_Marcus and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted July 15, 2012 Is it bad that I truly hope that Minnesota misses the playoffs? Anything can happen, injuries to just plain lack of chemistry on a team of otherwise talented players... the BFFs are no guarantee of a Cup. Just sayin'... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) Is it bad that I truly hope that Minnesota misses the playoffs? Anything can happen, injuries to just plain lack of chemistry on a team of otherwise talented players... the BFFs are no guarantee of a Cup. Just sayin'... Their chances of winning a Cup during their contract would be much better if they signed for about $3 milion a year less than what they signed for between them which is about what they are worth. Their chances would be even greater than that had they signed for even less than what they are worth like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Hossa... Edited July 15, 2012 by Johnz96 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUPERSTUD 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2012 Wild + Parise will = buyer's remorse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,935 Report post Posted July 16, 2012 Argh! Stop bumping this thread! Parise + Wild + Suter = Epic Kronwalling..... 1 WingsAlways reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted July 16, 2012 Is it bad that I truly hope that Minnesota misses the playoffs? Anything can happen, injuries to just plain lack of chemistry on a team of otherwise talented players... the BFFs are no guarantee of a Cup. Just sayin'... They will probably never win a Cup and no guarantee of them making the playoffs next year, although I would like to see a city in the States that appreciates hockey as much as they do have some success Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 792 Report post Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) Argh! Stop bumping this thread! Parise + Wild + Suter = Epic Kronwalling..... Just for you buddy=) Edited July 16, 2012 by hillbillywingsfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
