LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Funny thing is, I really don't know why he left to begin with....something about the old guys and new guys...hell he played 3 more seasons, he could have stayed and that would not have changed to outcome of 2008 and could very well have changed 2009. He could have had 4 Cups if not a 5th...I really don't know why he left... Hmmm.....number retired? I would say not, because then you are opening up others who are borderline...If you retire #14, then you have to retire #91, #30, #8 maybe....it's just opens a big can of worms and then we will be just like the Avalanche... I say #5, then #13 for sure...verdict is still out on #40... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Funny thing is, I really don't know why he left to begin with....something about the old guys and new guys...hell he played 3 more seasons, he could have stayed and that would not have changed to outcome of 2008 and could very well have changed 2009. He could have had 4 Cups if not a 5th...I really don't know why he left It's hearsay but apparently Shanny wasnt buying into the team system and didn't get along with the coach at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 If you think about it though, what arguments do you have for Shanahan over Sundin? Yes, he scored more goals, but Sundin still had 564 goals. Sundin scored the same number of points (give or take a few) in almost 200 less games. I also think Sundin's international experience is a little more accomplished than Shanny's. I think Shanhan's very low points per game stat hurt him. He'll get in eventuall though. If you look at this year's list, I could argue Shanny over Sundin, Oates or Bure, but you could argue the other way too. The only non-argument would be that Sakic is a lock over them all. Oates...much better ppg than Shanny, but after that, not much to say. Bure....the question mark there is the fact his career was cut short....did he do enough? I think his talents were superior to Shanahan's, his gpg and ppg stats blow Shanny's out of the water, but that has been shown in the past not to matter much when you are talking about shorter careers. Bure waited awhile to get in though. I think the difference is Shanny was a power forward. And one of the best. He's the only player in NHL history with over 600 goals and 2,000 PIMs. He's got equal leadership to Sundin and three more Cups. The points per game isn't as good, but they played different positions. He's the 2nd most goals by a left winger behind Robitaille. And he did that playing the left wing lock years in Detroit and stepping up to drop the gloves. 2 Uncle Danny and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) I think the difference is Shanny was a power forward. And one of the best. He's the only player in NHL history with over 600 goals and 2,000 PIMs. He's got equal leadership to Sundin and three more Cups. The points per game isn't as good, but they played different positions. He's the 2nd most goals by a left winger behind Robitaille. And he did that playing the left wing lock years in Detroit and stepping up to drop the gloves. that, plus the fact that he put great numbers on an already starstudden team. I'm big fan of Sundin, too, but no way he deserves the nod before Shanny. I'd be fine with both of them, but not when Sundin gets into HHOF in his first year while Shanaban is skipped. sorry. this is outrageous. Edited June 26, 2012 by akustyk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Good jeorb, USA Today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Just saw that Scotty & Igor are actually on the selection committee. And still Shanny doesn't get in? What the???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest irishock Report post Posted June 26, 2012 I'm not sure we would have won anything more than 1 cup without Shanahan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Really too bad that Shanny didn't get in this year. I thought for sure he would be in. I guess all the points he scored and the 3 stanley cups weren't good enough Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfanatic4alltime 32 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 No way Sundin deserved to be in the Hall of Fame over Shanny. Honestly must be the Toronto connection that got Sundin in and kept Shanny out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbowhistle86 155 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 How the hell does Shanny get left out but Joe Sack-Lick makes it in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Fighter discrimination! esteef 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) How the hell does Shanny get left out but Joe Sack-Lick makes it in? Probably has something to do with Sack-Lick having a much better career. Shanahan should have been a first ballot none-the-less at least over Sundin. Tough class though, I could see Bure, Sakic, Oates, Shanahan, Sundin all being in. Looks like Shanny was the odd man out and I really disagree with it. Edited June 26, 2012 by Carman 1 pucktividi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
softshoes 83 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Payback for not suspending Weber in the first round. Hockey Gods are cruel gods. 1 roboturner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) I honestly think that Shanny gets in first ballot if he wasn't currently working in such a high profile position for the league. Something tells me that some members of the selection committee either don't really like the league office, or perhaps don't want to appear as if they're sucking up to the league office. Edited June 26, 2012 by kipwinger 1 BigWillieStyle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 If Sundin had played somewhere other than Toronto for most of his career, I doubt he gets in over Shanny. Glad Oates got in though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,048 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 How the hell does Shanny get left out but Joe Sack-Lick makes it in? Not sure if serious..... (Hopes not.) 1 anthonyn66 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted June 26, 2012 It doesn't make ANY sense to me that Shanny be behind Sundin, but the votes are ambiguous in nature so.. whatever. Shanny should make it next year. As far as the Wings' organization number retirement and the discussion of specific players: 14: Obviously Shanahan's number is not retired, and I'm ambivalent about whether I think it should or shouldn't be. He was a backbone of the Wings team for several years, second scoring in his position behind Luc, 600+ goals and 3 cups.. hard not to make the case, but he's obviously no Lidstrom or Yzerman, they set the bar very high. I wouldn't mind either way. 30: Chris Osgood, same as Shanahan, case could be made either way, but I consider him a career Wing because his departure from the Wings was an organizational choice. 91: Sergei Fedorov number not retired, nor should it be. He had a number of great years with the Wings but he had three major issues.. 1) several contract disputes, the last ended his tenure with the team on a very sour note because of the impact it had on the Wings ability to sign other UFA's given how long and drawn out it was, 2) while few would doubt when he tried he was amongst the best players in the league, he would have a tendency to just float around and put out little effort which was an enormous criticism of him in the late 90s/early 2000s, 3) probably more subjective than other two, the impression I got that he was irritated about not being captain, which played into the contract disputes and excessive floating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Danny 155 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 How the hell does Shanny get left out but Joe Sack-Lick makes it in? You must be joking. Shanny should've definitely made this list... but of all of them, I'd say only Sakic is a no-brainer not to replace. As others have stated, Sundin is the question mark here. Bure had more talent, but a career ended short. Oates was amazing, but never won a cup. Sakic captained a team that won cups, contended for scoring trophies until very late in his career, defined the word class on the ice and off. I'm truly shocked at your naming him here. I'm a Red Wings fan through and through, but if Joe Sakic isn't a first ballotter, I don't know who is. 4 anthonyn66, 55fan, Matt and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbowhistle86 155 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Not sure if serious..... (Hopes not.) Not entirely serious....I guess I'm still bitter about those good old playoff series we had with them. I'm not disagreeing with Joe's accomplishments, but think Shanny had a longer impact on his teams' success. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) What does the Bure induction mean in the future? (Now just an example) Does this mean Crosby can retire now and get into the hall considering just 170 points fewer in 268 fewer games? Pretty much means Eric Lindros is for sure now. Is Cam Neely's production the line you have to be over now? Edited June 26, 2012 by Carman 1 BigWillieStyle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATIEBARTHEDOOR24 426 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Everyone on the list is a lock. Shanny is just the odd man out. But he will be there. 2 BigWillieStyle and Jocke reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Got to be something against Shanny. Oates and Bure get passed over how many times? Including the last two years when the inductees were Dino (alone), then Gilmour, Beflour, Nieuwendyk, and Howe. And I think there was another weak class they were eligible for. Now they get in over Shanny? I don't get how that happens... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATIEBARTHEDOOR24 426 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 In still cannot, for the love of all God, don't understand why Trammell is not in the hall of fame and ballerina Ozzie is. Ya, wrong sport, I know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Shanahan still has that good gig to fall back on: "Master of the Video-Voice Over". 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted June 27, 2012 Why the hell isn't Jack Morris in the Hall of Fame? Oh that's baseball sorry. Shanny will get in next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites