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[Matt]

How the hell does Shanny get left out but Joe Sack-Lick makes it in?

Not sure if serious..... (Hopes not.)

[Shoreline]

It doesn't make ANY sense to me that Shanny be behind Sundin, but the votes are ambiguous in nature so.. whatever. Shanny should make it next year.

As far as the Wings' organization number retirement and the discussion of specific players:

14: Obviously Shanahan's number is not retired, and I'm ambivalent about whether I think it should or shouldn't be. He was a backbone of the Wings team for several years, second scoring in his position behind Luc, 600+ goals and 3 cups.. hard not to make the case, but he's obviously no Lidstrom or Yzerman, they set the bar very high. I wouldn't mind either way.

30: Chris Osgood, same as Shanahan, case could be made either way, but I consider him a career Wing because his departure from the Wings was an organizational choice.

91: Sergei Fedorov number not retired, nor should it be. He had a number of great years with the Wings but he had three major issues.. 1) several contract disputes, the last ended his tenure with the team on a very sour note because of the impact it had on the Wings ability to sign other UFA's given how long and drawn out it was, 2) while few would doubt when he tried he was amongst the best players in the league, he would have a tendency to just float around and put out little effort which was an enormous criticism of him in the late 90s/early 2000s, 3) probably more subjective than other two, the impression I got that he was irritated about not being captain, which played into the contract disputes and excessive floating.

[Uncle Danny]

How the hell does Shanny get left out but Joe Sack-Lick makes it in?

You must be joking. Shanny should've definitely made this list... but of all of them, I'd say only Sakic is a no-brainer not to replace. As others have stated, Sundin is the question mark here.

Bure had more talent, but a career ended short.
Oates was amazing, but never won a cup.

Sakic captained a team that won cups, contended for scoring trophies until very late in his career, defined the word class on the ice and off. I'm truly shocked at your naming him here. I'm a Red Wings fan through and through, but if Joe Sakic isn't a first ballotter, I don't know who is.

[turbowhistle86]

Not sure if serious..... (Hopes not.)

Not entirely serious....I guess I'm still bitter about those good old playoff series we had with them. I'm not disagreeing with Joe's accomplishments, but think Shanny had a longer impact on his teams' success.

[Carman]

What does the Bure induction mean in the future?

(Now just an example) Does this mean Crosby can retire now and get into the hall considering just 170 points fewer in 268 fewer games? Pretty much means Eric Lindros is for sure now. Is Cam Neely's production the line you have to be over now?

Edited by Carman, 26 June 2012 - 04:43 PM.

[KATIEBARTHEDOOR24]

Everyone on the list is a lock. Shanny is just the odd man out. But he will be there.

[Buppy]

Got to be something against Shanny.

Oates and Bure get passed over how many times? Including the last two years when the inductees were Dino (alone), then Gilmour, Beflour, Nieuwendyk, and Howe. And I think there was another weak class they were eligible for. Now they get in over Shanny?

I don't get how that happens...

[KATIEBARTHEDOOR24]

In still cannot, for the love of all God, don't understand why Trammell is not in the hall of fame and ballerina Ozzie is. Ya, wrong sport, I know.

[cusimano_brothers]

Shanahan still has that good gig to fall back on: "Master of the Video-Voice Over".

[F.Michael]

I always liked Sundin, but there's no way he should've gotten in ahead of Shanny.

I could see Sundin getting in on a 1st ballot, and have always liked him, but not trying to knock Bure - he was IMHO too "one dimensional".

As you pointed out in a post later on - Shanny did alot of little things other than score goals - he learned how to be more defensively responsible by playing the left wing under Bowman, he finished his checks, and fought often (still holds the recoreds of 'Gordie Howe hat-tricks').

[Hatethedrake!]

Why the hell isn't Jack Morris in the Hall of Fame? Oh that's baseball sorry. Shanny will get in next year.

[Red Wings Addict]

Well that sucks.

[MacK_Attack]

Shanny deserves to be there, and will be.

Sundin lugged around dead weight for wingers for almost 13 years and still scored over 1,300 points. He took Jonas Hoglund, an absolute worthless sack of crap of a hockey player and got nearly 30 goals out of him.

[GMRwings1983]

Shanny will get in eventually. And yes, he should have been selected over everyone except Sakic.

But on a lighter note, I'm glad "The Russian Rocket" got in. About time.

What does the Bure induction mean in the future?

(Now just an example) Does this mean Crosby can retire now and get into the hall considering just 170 points fewer in 268 fewer games? Pretty much means Eric Lindros is for sure now. Is Cam Neely's production the line you have to be over now?

Neely did open the door for others.

Lindros for one and Bure.

[Z Winged Dangler]

Plain and simple, short and sweet:


HOF: YES

JERSEY RETIRED: NO (Not in Detroit anyways)

Great player but I don't think he met the criteria to hang in the rafters with the elites. If you retired Shanahan's jersey just think of all the other wings that should "technically" then be retired as well...

Agreed here. and i don't believe he was snubbed. look at the 4 that get in. Shanny has 3 cups, but Sundin's PPG ratio is higher.... Personally i'd put Shanny in over Sundin for his all around accomplishment of being a big part of 3 cups, but Sundin didn't have Shanny's supporting cast. In the end, he'll be in soon enough and worst case scenario, he gets in with Lids.

[barabbas16]

In still cannot, for the love of all God, don't understand why Trammell is not in the hall of fame and ballerina Ozzie is. Ya, wrong sport, I know.

13 gold gloves vs. 4.... 15 All-Star games vs. 6.... that's probably the difference. Well, that and the fact that WAY more people know Ozzie Smith even now than Alan Trammell and that's not because one is in the Hall and the other isn't. It IS the Hall of FAME, after all, which is the only reason Jeremy Roenick has any chance to get in imo - going back to hockey.

Yeah, and Shanahan got snubbed. I don't disagree with any of the selections, really. But, the arguments for the other three over Shanny seem to be pretty thin to me.

Sundin didn't have as good of a team.... yeah, but he didn't WIN anything with his crappier team.

Sundin was better in international play.... Yeah that's true statistically... So, I'll take that question to Adam Oates ..... did he even play internationally?

Oates had more points... but they were like 80% assists..... and he didn't WIN anything.

Bure was the arguably the best player in the league for a few years - you could never argue that about Shanahan.... A legitimate point, if best SCORER automatically = best PLAYER..... AND he didn't WIN any Cups

More goals. More points. More Cups. Could beat the crap out of the rest of them. Yeah, he played on good teams, but Detroit had good teams before that and they didn't win until Shanny got there. I think the Hall got it wrong, but I'm not that bitter about it. He'll get in... and I like the guys that they picked. Oates and Bure have waited, so I'm fine with that. I guess the part that miffs me the most is that if someone else besides Sakic was going to get in 1st ballot, it should have been Shanahan over Sundin.

[cnot19]

Cant believe he didnt get in

[Nev]

What does the Bure induction mean in the future?

(Now just an example) Does this mean Crosby can retire now and get into the hall considering just 170 points fewer in 268 fewer games? Pretty much means Eric Lindros is for sure now. Is Cam Neely's production the line you have to be over now?

It means that great players who have great but not long careers (Bure) can get in as well as good players who have long careers and can pad their stats (Cicarelli). Bure had three 50 goal seasons in the dead-puck era, back to back 60 goal seasons before that. He even stole the Calder Trophy from Lidstrom. He's been waiting a while for this.

Sakic is a no-brainer, and I thought Shanny was too. Oates and Sundin ahead of him? I'm baffled, truly I am.

[Hiei]

To me, I think shanny didn't make it because he's still in/around the NHL every day. It's not like you go too far in NHL news to not find the Shana-Ban in action.

Selection Committee is suspended for 9 games.


And on the subject of Jersey Retirement, #5 will never be worn again. The next one after that IMO will be #13.

[b.shanafan14]

It means that great players who have great but not long careers (Bure) can get in as well as good players who have long careers and can pad their stats (Cicarelli). Bure had three 50 goal seasons in the dead-puck era, back to back 60 goal seasons before that. He even stole the Calder Trophy from Lidstrom. He's been waiting a while for this.

Sakic is a no-brainer, and I thought Shanny was too. Oates and Sundin ahead of him? I'm baffled, truly I am.

Agree, but apparently it also says great over 700 games is better than less great over 1500 games. Shanahan and Bure played in the same era, with Shanahan being a dominant goal-scorer, changing his game to add defense, playing more physical, dropping the gloves (more than 600g/2000pim), and having more team success (not to mention what he did for the sport off the ice during the lockout), and Bure being a dominant offensive player in his time in the league.

I've thought Bure, and perhaps even Oates have deserved to be in for a while now. What's very odd is that after two years of what might be considered softer classes (2010, only Dino; 2011, former pass-overs Howe and Gilmour) where the two didn't get in, they wait for a very strong class to get them ahead of what the majority of people thought would be a lock in Shanahan. The voting committee has made statements in the past, I wonder with Shanny being in the position he is today, if we didn't see one with his snub?

Its not that the players inducted didn't deserve it, but in my (quite biased) opinion, none but Sakic deserved it more than Shanahan.