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#21 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:19 PM

Just consider this:

Dan Cleary is aging and has a 2.8mill contract with one season left on it. Would it be valuable to sell him now while we can get decent assets for him rather than lose him in free agency next season? If we are re-signing our youth and blowing money on UFAs this season we could use the 2.8 mill elsewhere rather than the 4th line. Furthermore, Eaves has a hefty 1.2mill contract and if he doesn't play every night he isn't worth keeping around when we could get a decent pick for him. Bertuzzi we are almost stuck with unless waived because he has a NMC i believe. Obviously Emmerton and Mursak are less valuable than these guys but that makes them ideal 13/14 guys that come cheap and know our system, I'd move a bigger contract to make room for future.



if it was up to me cleary and/or bertuzzi wouldnt be back and replaced with guys like prust ,doan etc..

unfortunetly ken holland is overly loyal ... bertuzzi never should of been resigned to 2 yrs especially now that hes 37

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:24 PM

Just consider this:

Dan Cleary is aging and has a 2.8mill contract with one season left on it. Would it be valuable to sell him now while we can get decent assets for him rather than lose him in free agency next season?


He just had his worst season since '05-'06. How, exactly, would the team acquire "decent assets" in return for him?

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:32 AM

The Wings need to spend 8 million to reach the cap floor, they need 2-3 players... they have all the money in the world, just need to make it happen.
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 05:57 AM

I think who's out really depends on who's in. If a player like Ryan or Nash is brought in we could see Franzen, Cleary, or Flip moved. I would move all three of these guys if it meant the right package back.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:41 AM

Im hoping Emmerton and another fourth liner are gone, opening up a sport for bigger, more physical, and effective fourth line guys.
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:48 AM

eaves has stated he is going to be ready, and he signed a 3 year last season. he is a scorer turned grinder...his value is more than we give him.

abdelkader /bertuzzi / miller are more expendable.

I agree. Eaves and Helm together is money very good 3rd line

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 10:27 AM

Dan Cleary is aging and has a 2.8mill contract with one season left on it. Would it be valuable to sell him now while we can get decent assets for him rather than lose him in free agency next season?


Cleary also has a NTC. There was a brief window during the 2011-12 season (the 30 days leading up to the trade deadline) where it wasn't in effect, but that is closed now.
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For other players outside of Emmerton (assuming Holmstrom retires -- i don't think there's room for him) I do like Eaves, but the concussion problems leaves serious doubts. Eaves does have use on the 2nd PP unit occasionally when healthy, otherwise between him and Drew Miller it's a wash. Miller is better on the mucking/grinding part of the game (and health-wise), while Eaves has more offensive upside coupled with injury risk.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:09 PM

Cleary also has a NTC. There was a brief window during the 2011-12 season (the 30 days leading up to the trade deadline) where it wasn't in effect, but that is closed now.
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For other players outside of Emmerton (assuming Holmstrom retires -- i don't think there's room for him) I do like Eaves, but the concussion problems leaves serious doubts. Eaves does have use on the 2nd PP unit occasionally when healthy, otherwise between him and Drew Miller it's a wash. Miller is better on the mucking/grinding part of the game (and health-wise), while Eaves has more offensive upside coupled with injury risk.



Cleary does not have a no-trade clause. It ran out 30 days before the 2011-12 trade deadline. I
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:25 PM

I'd like to keep Mursak as the 13th forward for at least the beginning of the season. I don't really expect him to become a consistent part of the lineup but I think he has a better shot at it than Emmerton and arguably post-concussion Eaves. I also have faith that a surgically repaired Clearly will regain some of his lost form even if he doesn't completely return to his old ways.

Assuming we have to remove 2 players, I'd vote for Emmerton and Miller/Abdelkader. Send Emmerton through waivers and try to trade one of the other two for late picks or in a package with someone like Tatar for an A-level defensive prospect.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:32 PM

Emmerton should be gone regardless of the situation. He adds nothing and just eats up a roster space. I think people toss in Eaves' name because they forget what he's done on this team. I'd say missing Eaves was one of the elements that really hurt the Wings this year and I can't wait for him to come back. He adds some depth to the team that we sorely need. He also has some offensive ability that he's never really been allowed to unleash on the Wings, either.

As far as the "tough" choices go, I think Abdelkader has become expendable under certain circumstances. Basically, we'd have to find a grittier forward with more offensive upside to really make it worthwhile. If he were traded for a scorer, then he would only need to be replaced with a comparable forward.

I personally like Abdelkader and I'd love for him to be a part of a new era "grind line" and I'd rather he not go, but this season he didn't do much to make himself seem completely integral to the team. But maybe he just had an off year.
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 01:15 PM

Emmerton should be gone regardless of the situation. He adds nothing and just eats up a roster space. I think people toss in Eaves' name because they forget what he's done on this team. I'd say missing Eaves was one of the elements that really hurt the Wings this year and I can't wait for him to come back. He adds some depth to the team that we sorely need. He also has some offensive ability that he's never really been allowed to unleash on the Wings, either.

As far as the "tough" choices go, I think Abdelkader has become expendable under certain circumstances. Basically, we'd have to find a grittier forward with more offensive upside to really make it worthwhile. If he were traded for a scorer, then he would only need to be replaced with a comparable forward.

I personally like Abdelkader and I'd love for him to be a part of a new era "grind line" and I'd rather he not go, but this season he didn't do much to make himself seem completely integral to the team. But maybe he just had an off year.


Abdelkader had two comparable seasons, both not great. He also had no points the last two playoffs, and was a minus 9. Statistically he's comparable to Miller, but he's going to cost twice as much.

We have to decided if we want to have a gritty 4th line. If we sign some tough guys to help back Abby up, then it might be worth it to keep him. If not, let's give the cheaper skilled guys a chance (Nyqyist, Brunner, Eaves, MIller, Mursak.)

What we were really missing last year was two solid centers for the bottom 6. Emmerton/Abby/Helm is not comparable to the Flip/Helm/Draper we had the last few years.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 01:27 PM

Speaking of out! It's not official until July 1st that he is gone but I have been waiting since the summer of 2008 to do this:

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 01:39 PM

It's a good question. But I hope that everyone doesn't think everyone of our forwards will be healthy the whole year. I'm sure Cleary and Bert will have health issues. And I'm sure at least a couple if not a few more of our forwards will get injured. Seems like a common trend these last few seasons. Can't believe we signed Bert for 2 more freaking years. I like Bert just not for 2 more years dammit. Still think we need to get younger somehow and gives some kids a chance might be looking like we will have to do that here shortly.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 04:41 PM

I think Mursak is going to surprise people this year. He faced a broken ankle in his rookie year. It's hard enough to make that transition. I also don't think management will give up on him know the circumstances


Nothing against Jan,but with Bert/Cleary,Brunner,Eaves,Tatar there,his chance to earn a spot is pretty slim imo.

I'd be happy if he eventually clears waivers and go back to Griffins.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:05 AM

assuming brunner makes the lineup we added 3 bodies yesterday and were not finished , kennys gonna have alot of bodies to ship out of detroit , didnt count but i think we have something like 17-18 forwards as of now?

i got a bad feeling about nyquist being gone , if i was drafted player from detroit id be pissed cause the way it goes here it's like you got a 1% chance of ever playing

Finally get a chance to make some kids like nyquist play here this upcoming season and probably tatar in 2013-2014 and we just keeping filling in wastes like bertuzzi and samuelsson who are 35-40

wouldnt be surprised at this rate if tatar as well gets shipped out of detroit with nyquist in a trade

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:15 AM

Nyquist may be gone in a trade to acquire Nash or Ryan.... if that's the case, I'm fine with it, given what we would be getting in return.

I also believe that Abdelkader, Emmerton, Mursak, and Miller are expendable (Bertuzzi as well in some circumstances)... I want us to give Eaves a fair shake... I know he was injured all of last season, but Eaves has great upside and would be a great right handed shooting 3rd liner. I wish we could see the following:

Parise/Semin/Nash/Ryan - Datsyuk - Brunner
Franzen - Zetterberg - Samuelsson
Cleary - Filppula - Eaves
Abdelkader - Helm - Tootoo

That is what I would absolutely love to see.... assuming Brunner works out and interchanging Sammy with Cleary/Filppula.

Three scoring lines, and a fast ass grinding line.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:23 AM

Nyquist may be gone in a trade to acquire Nash or Ryan.... if that's the case, I'm fine with it, given what we would be getting in return.

I also believe that Abdelkader, Emmerton, Mursak, and Miller are expendable (Bertuzzi as well in some circumstances)... I want us to give Eaves a fair shake... I know he was injured all of last season, but Eaves has great upside and would be a great right handed shooting 3rd liner. I wish we could see the following:

Parise/Semin/Nash/Ryan - Datsyuk - Brunner
Franzen - Zetterberg - Samuelsson
Cleary - Filppula - Eaves
Abdelkader - Helm - Tootoo

That is what I would absolutely love to see.... assuming Brunner works out and interchanging Sammy with Cleary/Filppula.

Three scoring lines, and a fast ass grinding line.


Fil wont' be put back to the third line, especially when you have both abby and helm available.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 03:26 PM

I can only see Nyquist getting moved only if it directly results in Nash coming over to Detroit. I still don't see the organization moving one of their best forward prospects in the pipeline. Especially without seeing how his strength has come over the summer and what not. In reality, I can see emmerton being moved because theres no chance he'll pass through waivers. We know Hudler is gone but right now how much direct value can we get out of him since teams know we're at a stand still right now. I think firstly, all will depend on the Parise signing. If we don't get Parise, or sense we don't have a chance we will be moving on and we'll see pieces gone. Currently, Holland said he isn't doing anymore moves until Parise and Suter make a decision because he wants the space for both if they do so want to come to Detroit. Prospect wise: Tartar, Mursak and Emmerton I can see gone.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:53 AM

Folks need to stop uttering Nash. Ken does not have the pieces to orchestrate that trade.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:31 AM

Folks need to stop uttering Nash. Ken does not have the pieces to orchestrate that trade.


What are you talking about we have all the pieces and more to orchestrate that trade ... but are we ready to pull the trigger that's the question.





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