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#21 St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:46 PM

Good god. I read the title as Wings have acquired Nash and almost fainted


LOL

I'll pass on Nash and his contract tbh. Next

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:55 PM

Nash is a question to me. yes he is big young and scores goals. But there have been more than one person question his will to use his size and he seems to think D is optional most nights. Maybe it is a product of being on a bad team. Or maybe that is who he really is.
Do I think we can get him? Nope. Being in the same division we would have to pay the most. We simply don't have the parts to move for this big of a deal.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 10:05 PM

WOW are you even serious???? .... Crosby, Ovechkin, Heatly, Hossa and Kovy put up on worse teams than the BJs in their past.???????


Don't forget that Heatley, Hossa, and Kovalchuk all played for Atlanta.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 10:48 PM

Don't forget that Heatley, Hossa, and Kovalchuk all played for Atlanta.


Pittsburgh put up 58 pts in Crosby's rookie year. The same year, Washington put up 70 (good for 2nd last in the conference) with Ovi.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:11 PM

Don't forget that Heatley, Hossa, and Kovalchuk all played for Atlanta.


heatley and kovalchuk had eachother at least and slava kozlov was still not bad when he went there , marc savard was starting out ....hossa started off in ottawa so he had good players , hossa in atl then had kovalchuk and kozlov

Who did rick nash ever have???? huselius? umberger??zherdev?

i dont know whats with the hate towards rick nash its quite clear he has never had any good players to play with let alone players, im not saying i want nash in detroit the price would be way too high but i do think if he goes to the rangers or flyers, sj he will pop 40-50 easy

Pittsburgh put up 58 pts in Crosby's rookie year. The same year, Washington put up 70 (good for 2nd last in the conference) with Ovi.


crosby got malkin,stal,letang etc ... ..... ovie got backstrom, semin,green .... nash got ...... i kinda feel bad for the guy lol , id have asked for a trade years ago

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:28 PM

WOW are you even serious???? .... Crosby, Ovechkin, Heatly, Hossa and Kovy put up on worse teams than the BJs in their past.???????

those players put up better numbers and they were on worse teams than columbus???how the hell was pittsburgh,washington,san jose etc... worse than columbus?? columbus is a laughing stock , and who the hell did rick nash ever have to play with???? all those players you mentioned above ALL had someone to play with

rick nash has been a lone ranger in columbus his whole career

Ovi's first couple years in WSH, Kovy, Hossa AND Heatley in ATL (different times)...

Nash played QUITE a few games with the likes of Fedorov, Vermette, Brassard, Vorachek, Prospal and most recently Carter...

So... You were saying?

I'm not saying your point isn't valid either, he hasn't had MUCH, but let's not act like he was carrying a pee-wee team into battle against NHL clubs either... He's had some talent around him...

With that said, I think he could also be more productive on a better team, but not worth what Columbus is asking...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:33 PM

Columbus had a higher payroll than the Wings this season, the excuses people make for Rick Nash are legendary.

If it was just a case of the talent around him I'd have expected him to lead team Canada in scoring in the 2010 Olympics. He managed to outscore only 2 forwards, and had the 3rd worst +/- of all forwards as well.

The argument about playing on a bad team works both ways, he won't be able to rack up assists, but he'll get more ice-time than he would on a better team so his production should even out.

He's a 60-75 pt guy who get's paid as if he's one of the elite players in the league. There isn't a player or prospect on the roster I'd want to trade, if we have to take on his ridiculous contract.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:40 PM

i checked hossa always had kovalchuk in atlanta .... kovalchuk always had heatley or hossa as well as marc savard and kozlov

ovie had no one his first season ill give you that , but he got semin in his 2nd and backstrom and green then came along


Nash played QUITE a few games with the likes of Fedorov, Vermette, Brassard, Vorachek, Prospal and most recently Carter -------- you cant be serious?? fedorov was on the decline of his career, brassard was/is a bust, voracek hit the 50 pt mark once , prospal's a decent player hardly ever was a star and joined the team at 36 and jeff carter?? come on he was such a bust he didnt even last the season and dont forget he was hurt

its simple rick nash has never had A star player to play with

Theres a reason why columbus has been at the bottom of the nhl for years , and no im not saying rick nash is worth what columbus is asking for i wouldnt give up all those assets for one single player , but if rick nash was here you better believe he'd be scoring 40-50

Columbus had a higher payroll than the Wings this season, the excuses people make for Rick Nash are legendary.

If it was just a case of the talent around him I'd have expected him to lead team Canada in scoring in the 2010 Olympics. He managed to outscore only 2 forwards, and had the 3rd worst +/- of all forwards as well.

The argument about playing on a bad team works both ways, he won't be able to rack up assists, but he'll get more ice-time than he would on a better team so his production should even out.

He's a 60-75 pt guy who get's paid as if he's one of the elite players in the league. There isn't a player or prospect on the roster I'd want to trade, if we have to take on his ridiculous contract.


i wouldnt take his ridiculous contract either and i wouldnt give up all thats asked for rick nash but i do think your so wrong about nash he's way more than a 60-75 pt guy and i do think if he goes to a good team hes gonna be so pumped up again and youll see a 40-50 goal season

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 28 June 2012 - 11:38 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:49 PM

i wouldnt take his ridiculous contract either and i wouldnt give up all thats asked for rick nash but i do think your so wrong about nash he's way more than a 60-75 pt guy and i do think if he goes to a good team hes gonna be so pumped up again and youll see a 40-50 goal season


If he was way more than a 75 pt guy he should have shown it by now. Not too many players reach a new level at 29 years old.

He may not have had an all-star centering his line, but he's gone through enough centers that by now we would have seen the elite Nash everyone keeps hoping for.

He doesn't suck, but he's closer to a Franzen than a Crosby.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:16 AM

Ovi's first couple years in WSH, Kovy, Hossa AND Heatley in ATL (different times)...

Nash played QUITE a few games with the likes of Fedorov, Vermette, Brassard, Vorachek, Prospal and most recently Carter...

So... You were saying?

I'm not saying your point isn't valid either, he hasn't had MUCH, but let's not act like he was carrying a pee-wee team into battle against NHL clubs either... He's had some talent around him...

With that said, I think he could also be more productive on a better team, but not worth what Columbus is asking...

A washed up Fed and those guys aren't exaclty a list of premier playmakers. The Carter experiment was just a failure all around.

Edited by Number19, 29 June 2012 - 02:17 AM.


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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:57 AM

Nash is a tank and me personally I'd love him on this, but you don't trade your future away in a re-load/build spiral. Knowing Howson he is just trying to drive up his prive again.


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Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:33 AM

If Holland can convince the Blackhawks to trade Chris Chelios to us, anything can happen. We gave them an "up and coming" defenseman in Anders Eriksson and a couple of first rounders. We can trick another division basement dweller.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:48 AM

A washed up Fed and those guys aren't exaclty a list of premier playmakers. The Carter experiment was just a failure all around.

yea, because Carter was a real bust in LA and Prospal never had any 80 point seasons as a top level playmaker... oh wait...

Also, Fedorov, even at a declined level, was still an effective player when he went there... you could easily make the argument that maybe all those players would have put up better numbers on another team too...

Further, note the comment about Nash's performance in the Olympics - 3rd lowest point total on the team and a horrible +/- on a dream team of sorts...

You need to re-read my post too, I'm AGREEING that Nash could benefit from a change of scenery, and is a better player than his numbers in Colombus have dictated, but you're making him out to be the next coming of Gordon Howe, which he is not... all I'm doing here is playing devil's advocate and trying to keep things level here, as people are REALLY going to both extremes in this thread to try and proove their point - He is not Gordie Howe, he is also not a hack who shouldn't be paid top 6 money...

The long and the short of it is - he's a valuable asset, but Howson is over-valuing him. period.

Edited by stevkrause, 29 June 2012 - 07:39 AM.

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 29 June 2012 - 07:03 AM

The long and the short of it is - he's a valuable asset, but Howson is over-valuing him. period.


Exactly. Agree 100%.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:15 AM

The way I look at this is that Columbus' GM doesn't understand how to be a hockey GM. He is apparently asking OUTRAGEOUS demands for Nash. They need the cap space and to build around somebody else. Also they need to get multiple pieces and asking for a major player or two for Nash alone is not going to happen. I'll laugh if they don't trade him and he hits free agency and goes somewhere else, then they get nothing for him. LOL.

Good luck Columbus fan base.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:34 AM

WOW are you even serious???? .... Crosby, Ovechkin, Heatly, Hossa and Kovy put up on worse teams than the BJs in their past.???????

those players put up better numbers and they were on worse teams than columbus???how the hell was pittsburgh,washington,san jose etc... worse than columbus?? columbus is a laughing stock , and who the hell did rick nash ever have to play with???? all those players you mentioned above ALL had someone to play with

rick nash has been a lone ranger in columbus his whole career

Crosby had 39 goals and 102 points in his rookie year on a god awful team. 44pts ahead of the #2 scorer on his team (same could be said for Ovie in his first cuople years).

The thing is, if you are a 3rd or 4th liner and then you get to play with the top line, get top line minutes and top line situations, your stats should grow significantly, but if you are the star player on your team, getting top minutes and playing top situations, playing with better players shouldn't increase your stats astronomically. I don't want to say you wouldn't have better stats, because you probably would, but it likely wouldn't be as signficant as some think. The bigger impact of playing with better players would be having a better record as a team.

That said, Nash is a winger and as a general rule, wingers tend to need "help" producing, someone to feed them the puck. Centres should be able to crease offense on their own. This is of course a huge generalization, but I'm not afraid to throw it out there. Great centres will produce no matter who they play with, some upside if you plug in better wingers. Great wingers will produce as well, but if you plug in a great centre with them, I suspect their production would increase as a much higher rate than the other way around.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:24 PM

If Holland can convince the Blackhawks to trade Chris Chelios to us, anything can happen. We gave them an "up and coming" defenseman in Anders Eriksson and a couple of first rounders. We can trick another division basement dweller.

To be fair, Chelios requested a trade and I believe had a NTC so he could pick where he wanted to go. Chelios was in the driver's seat more than Holland mind-tricking the Hawks into that deal. And those were the days of Bill Wirtz, when the Hawks were an awfully managed franchise.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:30 PM

To be fair, Chelios requested a trade and I believe had a NTC so he could pick where he wanted to go. Chelios was in the driver's seat more than Holland mind-tricking the Hawks into that deal. And those were the days of Bill Wirtz, when the Hawks were an awfully managed franchise.

to add to your point, those were salary cap free days as well...

Edited by stevkrause, 29 June 2012 - 12:30 PM.

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


#39 InKennyWeTrust

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:34 PM

I doubt Nash would want to come here, anyway. I don't doubt that he'd fit in, but he seems like the kind of guy who wouldn't flip to "the hated Red Wings" just because he didn't like being in Columbus.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:37 PM

To be fair, Chelios requested a trade and I believe had a NTC so he could pick where he wanted to go. Chelios was in the driver's seat more than Holland mind-tricking the Hawks into that deal. And those were the days of Bill Wirtz, when the Hawks were an awfully managed franchise.


And the Jackets aren't an awfully managed franchise? Just sayin...
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