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[WingNut 25]

Hard to hold out hope for Parise when he apparently wants $10 million a year. Suter we need. They need to go all in and not let another team outbid them. Not sold on Semin but if they could offer him a 1 year deal for $5 million, a la Hossa, and see how the experiment works then I'm interested.

[BamaWing]

Hard to hold out hope for Parise when he apparently wants $10 million a year. Suter we need. They need to go all in and not let another team outbid them. Not sold on Semin but if they could offer him a 1 year deal for $5 million, a la Hossa, and see how the experiment works then I'm interested.

Although the thought of having Parise on the team makes me drool....


this team HAS to get Suter at the very least. Suter + 1 year experiment of Semin and I'll call it an offseason with that. I personally would like to sign one other bottom 6 center and trade some of ours for picks but that's just me.

[13dangledangle]

I really, really want Suter but not sure it's going to happen for happen for some reason. Semin I want to give a shot to but for a two year deal not one year. I dont want a Hossa esk situation to happen...

[joesuffP]

The best thing for us is if Parise resigns or goes to some team that can't afford Suter as well. If he really wants 10M are there teams out there that can still pay for both of them or would they even want to? Even if he signs a huge contract in Pittsburgh that works out well for us. As long as we get Suter... who knows there's still a chance we can get both.

[Trapt1307]

So has everyone written off Parise now?

Not at all. Remeber when the Wings signed Hossa? They weren't even really discussed as a possibility. Everyone here was hoping for Brian Roston and we ended up with Hossa.

If there's one thing that I've learned over the years it's to never count the Wings out when they're open about the fact that they're going to be aggressive in the FA and trade market.

Nobody really has a friggin clue where these guys are going to sign.

[ozone923]

Not at all. Remeber when the Wings signed Hossa? They weren't even really discussed as a possibility. Everyone here was hoping for Brian Roston and we ended up with Hossa.

If there's one thing that I've learned over the years it's to never count the Wings out when they're open about the fact that they're going to be aggressive in the FA and trade market.

Nobody really has a friggin clue where these guys are going to sign.

Seconded. Speculation and rumours are speculation and rumours. Don't count us out of anything. Not yet.

[Bannedforlife]

That's one of the more sexy rosters I've seen in a long time.

I like it this way...

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Damien Brunner ($1.350m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.500m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,612,045; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $12,955

Edited by Bannedforlife, 03 July 2012 - 02:16 AM.

[Dabura]

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($36.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($35.400m)
GOALTENDERS
Al Sobotka ($0.099m)

[SwedeLundin77]

If we lose out on Suter, the free agent market is pretty bare.... not sure if we would try to add anyone there or maybe look at the trade route....

Matt Carle
Pavel Kubina
Michal Rozsival
Jeff Finger
Cam Barker
Carlo Colaiacovo
Randy Jones
Jim Vandermeer
Scott Hannan
Ryan Parent

Or possible trade route:

Keith Yandle
Dan Boyle
Douglas Murray
Paul Martin (don't want to help Pitt though)
Jack Johnson
NIcklas Grossman

[Ozzie30]

If we miss out on suter, we can forget about trading for a forward, we will be flipping assets for a defenseman and signing Semin or grabbing the best bottom 6 talent we can get our hands on and trap trap trap.

[dirtydangles]

I wouldn't mind holding onto 5+ mill for this season. We could take a run at Weber next season and save our pennies for our own UFA/RFAs.

[nuts2u]

So, what do ya think he needs to finally make up his mind, promise of a drop the soap buddy?

[Hatethedrake!]

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($36.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($35.400m)
GOALTENDERS
Al Sobotka ($0.099m)

Now this would wreck shop if we can work Toots into the line-up.

[dirtydangles]

So, what do ya think he needs to finally make up his mind, promise of a drop the soap buddy?

Damn hudler is gone...

[StormJH1]

I really, really want Suter but not sure it's going to happen for happen for some reason. Semin I want to give a shot to but for a two year deal not one year. I dont want a Hossa esk situation to happen...

Comments like this make me so ANGRY! What is a "Hossa-esque" situation, exactly? You're telling me if Semin scored 40 goals in 74 games with excellent two-way play (as Hossa did), and we only had to commit money for one season, you'd be pissed?

Hossa was a mercenary. That was the whole POINT of signing him. If Nick Lidstrom's last second shot happens to sneak by M-A Fleury and the Wings happen to win that one Game 7 in overtime, what would you think of the 08-09 team then? Hossa had 6 G and 9 A in the '09 Playoffs and didn't miss a game even though his shoulder was completely shredded. Datsyuk missed several games, came back and had only 1 G and 8 A in 16 games, yet I've never heard one person call out Pavel for "disappearing" in the '09 Playoffs.

There have been great players that have played hard for this organization, only to have the fanbase poop all over them the second they're out the door. To varying degrees, the names Chevelade, Fedorov, Coffey, Primeau, Osgood (in '01, before he came back), Joseph, Legacy, and (the worst one) Fedorov all come to mind. It's not a prerequisite as a fan to smear every former Red Wing, yet it happens on this forum far too often.

Not every player can be Steve Yzerman or Nick Lidstrom. Some players are signed not to be career Red Wings, but to serve a very specific role for a short period of time. If Parise doesn't work out (seems unlikely to come here) and we address the defense with Suter or a trade, I'm at least willing to consider a reasonable deal for Semin as an option. He's not going to kill THIS coach. The Russians have a almost Larionov-like level of respect for Datsyuk (listen to Geno Malkin talk about him), whereas Ovechkin is viewed as a talented clown. Keep your options open.

Edited by StormJH1, 03 July 2012 - 09:23 AM.

[frankgrimes]

Despite tons of a money there a so many other factors:

- Does my wife want to move
- How I am going along with the new teammates from some teams
- Can I still enjoy my privacy outside the rink
- How far away will my parents be
- How is the school system
- Would I get along with the coach

Just some questions from top of my head I think, it would take me a good amount of time (easily more than 5 days), figuring stuff out.

Sure we are ann Original Siix team with money but I'd rather stay pat, if we don't get Suter and save money for next year, to make a run for Weber and Getzlaf.

[NeverForgetMac25]

I like it this way...

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Damien Brunner ($1.350m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.500m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,612,045; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $12,955

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

Besides, I think you're light on what Abdelkader might be making next year.

[Jesusberg]

I bet a lot of the reporters and NHL insiders feel like this right now...

[Dabura]

If no Parise and Suter, I'm thinking Holland lands Semin and Yandle.

[LeftWinger]

Suter won't be an issue...13 years, frontloaded contract, #1 defenseman on the team, best defenseman in the league, multiple Norris Trophies while here... Suter will be a Red Wing...

Parise, ya, if we can land him too, super! But if not we could get Nash or Ryan along with Semin and possibly Meuller and things would be rockin!