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[Crymson]

It's easy to blab about how Holland "should have" done something in the past to hedge against Holland's retirement. What's not so easy is to come up with what that should have been. I have no doubt that some here consider themselves capable armchair GMs. What would you have done?

[jollymania]

Time to fire Holland

for not overpaying? these guys both got about 3 million more than they are worth.

[Jersey Wing]

I'm enjoying reading the comments at the Tennessean and the Star Ledger and both have often touched on the meme they took the cowards way out.

[scotty7]

Hmmm. So both these guys are worth crosby size contracts. I hate crosby. But I don't think so........we r better off in the future without them. Just saying.

[Crymson]

For not hedging his bets YEARS ago. Lidstroms age was not a state secret. There is NO reason Detroit should be without a number one d man.

Tell us the specific actions that you feel Holland should have taken.

[Shaman464]

for not overpaying? these guys both got about 3 million more than they are worth.

For not addressing this years ago, for waiting and being in this position in the first place.

[stillwater]

for not overpaying? these guys both got about 3 million more than they are worth.

They were worth $95 million but not $98 million? Really?

[Shaman464]

Tell us the specific actions that you feel Holland should have taken.

Tell us the specific actions that you feel Holland should have taken.

I've made post on this before on all the players Hollands missed since 2005 in draft and trades. I'm on my way to a party but I'll post the list tonight.

[Z Winged Dangler]

i hope they both have fun never winning a cup in their career's now. Suter probably would have signed if he could play with Lids.

[JasonNewEra]

Meh, now what?

[wingslogo19]

Well I'm in shock that we didn't land Suter... July 4th is a bad day

[Wings_Toledo]

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=18

Just look at Minny's roster and explain to me how that looked more attractive than Detroit to either player. Other than Suter they have no one on D worth mentioning. Half of the forwards are guys who can hit but don't do much else. It's really telling how much these guys only cared about playing together and getting huge contracts from their "home" team.

I, for one, care far more about trying to get Weber either this season or next and watching Smith develop into a top four defenseman. Sure, the Wings will probably struggle a bit this year without the same solid backend that we're used to, but in the end, the team will have a brighter future than the Wild.

[freshy]

I'm enjoying reading the comments at the Tennessean and the Star Ledger and both have often touched on the meme they took the cowards way out.

I can understand Parise's choice(kind of) of wanting to go home, but Suter IMO made a dumb decision. He's not even from MN. He played all those years in Nashville and never sniffed a cup. Had a chance to see our top notch organization multiple times a year. He had the chance to join Detroit for great money/term. He knows they will always try to field a great team each year. None of those things have been demonstrated in Minny.

Whatever................

[stillwater]

Ryan Suter is a good player. He was never going to replace what this franchise got out of Nik Lidstrom for 20 years.

[haroldsnepsts]

Tell us the specific actions that you feel Holland should have taken.

We as fans can be upset about Holland not accounting for this day without having to back it up with every single player that's been available over the last few years. It's called transition planning. All GM's have to do it.

We don't even have full info on who's available and what it cost and you'll likely shoot down any suggestion as too expensive anyway.

The fact is, Lidstrom retiring was an inevitability. Maybe he would've stayed another year, but Holland knew this day was coming for a long time now plus or minus a season. And Stuart leaving was a known for at least a couple seasons now. This is not like losing a Dman the way the Wings did Vladdy or Fischer. There were no surprises in this transition.

[Dabura]

I like Ken Holland. I like him a lot. I'm very, very glad he's our GM. Mad props, respect from me to him.

But, man, sometimes I do have to wonder about him.

[sputman]

godammit.



well at least it's not with pittsburgh.

[CaliforniaWingsFan]

And now the Wings miss the playoffs for the first time in 21 years. I feel like Holland dropped the ball.

[Crymson]

We as fans can be upset about Holland not accounting for this day without having to back it up with every single player that's been available over the last few years. It's called transition planning. All GM's have to do it.

We don't even have full info on who's available and what it cost and you'll likely shoot down any suggestion as too expensive anyway.

The fact is, Lidstrom retiring was an inevitability. Maybe he would've stayed another year, but Holland knew this day was coming for a long time now plus or minus a season. And Stuart leaving was a known for at least a couple seasons now. This is not like losing a Dman the way the Wings did Vladdy or Fischer. There were no surprises in this transition.

There's no way to know if the deals that were available would have been to the Wings' advantage.

[puckbags]

Ryan Suter is a good player. He was never going to replace what this franchise got out of Nik Lidstrom for 20 years.

exactly..there is good and then there is great