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#341 kipwinger

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:38 PM

Read this as well, makes sense. I mean if Hudler can do it. Just think about Z, Dats, or Filp passing him the puck?!


But I think the interesting thing is that he makes the players he's with better as well. According to the article most players were better off, offensively and defensively, when playing on a line with him so it's reasonable to expect he'd increase D,Z, Franzen, or Flip's production as well.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:11 PM

But I think the interesting thing is that he makes the players he's with better as well. According to the article most players were better off, offensively and defensively, when playing on a line with him so it's reasonable to expect he'd increase D,Z, Franzen, or Flip's production as well.


Of course he would. Nash is a freak on skates. The guy is awesome.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:05 AM

Awesome article on why a team should be willing to take a chance on Semin. My apologies if it's already been posted somewhere, I didn't feel like scrolling back through the entire discussion to verify.

http://www.anguscert...the-10-percent/


Great article. I still don't see why he isn't even worth a shot, given he wouldn't cost us assets, he is the kind of winger D/Z have needed, and he would be in a stable, veteran locker room.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:11 AM

I think Semin for 4 years at a decent cap hit is a better option than 98 million for 13 years for Parise. If Semin didn't pan out in Detroit, there are teams that would take him on in a trade if the term isn't too crazy. Low risk, high reward IMO. I think him playing with Datsyuk would be great. If not, trade him toa team who needs to hit the cap floor in the off season and get assests for him.

At least signing Semin would leave the Wings with their own assets to trade for a d man.


**This. If 4 years is what brings him on board, do it. You can always deal him if things don't work out. C'mon Holland.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:41 AM

Has there really been talk that the Wings aren't interested in Semin? Because my guess would be he's the number one target for Holland now after Parise signed.

He's a talented forward that's a bit of a reclamation project because of his reputation. He could play alongside Datsyuk and under a coach that is known for making players work hard. Getting him away from Ovechkin probably won't hurt either. In terms of talent level for the cost to acquire him, this seems right up Holland's alley.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:46 AM

Has there really been talk that the Wings aren't interested in Semin? Because my guess would be he's the number one target for Holland now after Parise signed.

He's a talented forward that's a bit of a reclamation project because of his reputation. He could play alongside Datsyuk and under a coach that is known for making players work hard. Getting him away from Ovechkin probably won't hurt either. In terms of talent level for the cost to acquire him, this seems right up Holland's alley.

http://www.thedetroi...g-nothing/20894

“I talked to his agent once but right now we’re doing nothing,” said general manager Ken Holland in regards to Semin.


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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:48 AM

http://www.thedetroi...g-nothing/20894

Hmm, I wonder if Holland is playing it close to the vest or if he's really not that interested. Work ethic aside, I guess another serious concern is him running off to the KHL.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:52 AM

Hmm, I wonder if Holland is playing it close to the vest or if he's really not that interested. Work ethic aside, I guess another serious concern is him running off to the KHL.


I honestly don't know, but it is discouraging to see him say that in the media.

Semin would be a great winger for Datsyuk, take off some pressure of our secondary guys, and possibly redefine himself in a Wings uniform. Holland needs to spend some of this cap space one day or another.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:54 AM

Hmm, I wonder if Holland is playing it close to the vest or if he's really not that interested. Work ethic aside, I guess another serious concern is him running off to the KHL.


That is a serious concern, but I can't help but think that if he wanted to bolt to the KHL, he'd be there already. I mean, it's no secret that he's not going to get paid as much here as he would there, so what's stopping him you know?

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:00 PM

I honestly don't know, but it is discouraging to see him say that in the media.

Semin would be a great winger for Datsyuk, take off some pressure of our secondary guys, and possibly redefine himself in a Wings uniform. Holland needs to spend some of this cap space one day or another.

Maybe after the Suter/Parise signings, he's downplaying it to try and keep yet another free agent signing from turning into an episode of the bachelor.

That is a serious concern, but I can't help but think that if he wanted to bolt to the KHL, he'd be there already. I mean, it's no secret that he's not going to get paid as much here as he would there, so what's stopping him you know?

True.

But there could be the fear that he'll play for a year under contract, and if he doesn't like it then he bolts to the KHL where he doesn't have to work as hard, and the Wings (or whoever signed him) lose him for nothing.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:00 PM

I honestly don't know, but it is discouraging to see him say that in the media.

Semin would be a great winger for Datsyuk, take off some pressure of our secondary guys, and possibly redefine himself in a Wings uniform. Holland needs to spend some of this cap space one day or another.


Datsyuk knows him, maybe he has an "inside track" on stuff that Red Wings don't want in their system for multiple years? I don't like Semin, I think he's a cancer and probably one of the biggest "inside issues" in Washington. I think a one year signing is too long, personally.

I'm sure there is a reason why Holland isn't too hot on the guy, Pav probably knows a few things.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:10 PM

Datsyuk knows him, maybe he has an "inside track" on stuff that Red Wings don't want in their system for multiple years? I don't like Semin, I think he's a cancer and probably one of the biggest "inside issues" in Washington. I think a one year signing is too long, personally.

I'm sure there is a reason why Holland isn't too hot on the guy, Pav probably knows a few things.


Maybe,but Pavs looked like a regular player at the Worlds,until Semin joined the team,and then....

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:12 PM

Maybe after the Suter/Parise signings, he's downplaying it to try and keep yet another free agent signing from turning into an episode of the bachelor.


True.

But there could be the fear that he'll play for a year under contract, and if he doesn't like it then he bolts to the KHL where he doesn't have to work as hard, and the Wings (or whoever signed him) lose him for nothing.


Yeah I agree. No matter what, signing Semin is going to come with a question mark or two. It's obviously going to be a gamble, but as you said before, it certainly seems like the kind of gamble that Holland would typically be willing to make. Then again, many of the things KH has done this off season haven't really seemed very Holland-like to me, so as I've previously mentioned...I have no idea what to expect from him.

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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:13 PM

I'd have to imagine if Datsyuk was in Holland's ear about getting Semin here, that Semin would be here or at least we'd be in discussions with his Agent. I just think Holland is trying to figure out defense now and also waiting on Doan.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:21 PM

I'd have to imagine if Datsyuk was in Holland's ear about getting Semin here, that Semin would be here or at least we'd be in discussions with his Agent. I just think Holland is trying to figure out defense now and also waiting on Doan.


I definitely think he's waiting on Doan as well, but that worries me because so are a lot of other teams. Once Doan decides what he's doing all those teams that missed out are going to start bidding up Semin, and once he gets bid up, Holland will likely walk on the deal. That's the mind boggling thing about this entire free agency period, Holland keeps waiting on these guys...doesn't get them, and then doesn't want to pay the price for the plan B options once he's missed his first choice. Or at least it appears that way to me.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:26 PM

I definitely think he's waiting on Doan as well, but that worries me because so are a lot of other teams. Once Doan decides what he's doing all those teams that missed out are going to start bidding up Semin, and once he gets bid up, Holland will likely walk on the deal. That's the mind boggling thing about this entire free agency period, Holland keeps waiting on these guys...doesn't get them, and then doesn't want to pay the price for the plan B options once he's missed his first choice. Or at least it appears that way to me.


Yeah, that seems the case, but I would like to think that there are so many different angles to these deals that it's hard to really grasp onto what anyone is thinking without any inside information. I think Holland is still working the phones trying to find the right fit. It doesn't seem he's talking to Semin, but for all we know, his comment was a smoke screen. TIme will tell, but I'm also not holding my breath. I'm just looking forward to see what the younger guys can do this upcoming season. Should be interesting.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:32 PM

Yeah, that seems the case, but I would like to think that there are so many different angles to these deals that it's hard to really grasp onto what anyone is thinking without any inside information. I think Holland is still working the phones trying to find the right fit. It doesn't seem he's talking to Semin, but for all we know, his comment was a smoke screen. TIme will tell, but I'm also not holding my breath. I'm just looking forward to see what the younger guys can do this upcoming season. Should be interesting.


yeah for sure, the young guys are going to be a big factor this year and it's the first time in a long time that I'm excited about the young talent (unlike last year's Emmerton and Mursak infusion). I'm REALLY excited to see what this Brunner kid can do. If he turns out to be something quality, then that makes him or Nyquist expendable, in which case a high profile trade is entirely possible. As for the top six, as it is it's nothing special and very very shallow. If Holland doesn't acquire anyone prior to the season opener then I feel like it's almost an admission that we're taking a year to rebuild, given how hard it is to make up points after the trade deadline in today's game.

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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:00 AM

I really cannot believe Semin hasn't signed anywhere yet...but all the sign's I see point to the Pen's, I don't want that to happen but it really doesn't seem like Holland is interested.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:06 AM

Hmm, I wonder if Holland is playing it close to the vest or if he's really not that interested. Work ethic aside, I guess another serious concern is him running off to the KHL.


that is a great point and i bet most teams have considered that into account...

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:23 AM

I really cannot believe Semin hasn't signed anywhere yet...but all the sign's I see point to the Pen's, I don't want that to happen but it really doesn't seem like Holland is interested.


Well, all reports show that theres under 5 teams that are interested in him/shown interest. He wants a multi-term deal inwhich no GM wants to pull the trigger on that. He simply just isn't getting what he wants, and it seems like noone is coming to a close with this guy. I would naturally think that he is going to sign with the KHL by the end of the week for their training camp, but I think he would've signed with the KHL by now if he really didn't want to play in the NHL anymore. It seems like he really wants to stay in the league, but simply noone wants to risk him. Weird but that's what happens when you have a horrible reputation.

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