The Wings and ALL their fans wanted these guys, Drake. You included.
Trying to get through to these homers is like a one legged man trying to win an ass kicking contest. It's not going to happen. It's funny though, the hypocrisy
It's pretty hilarious that you don't even bother pretending to be a Wings fan anymore. I miss the good old days when you lied to our faces about your fandom and Left had to post links to your messages on Wild fanboards.
Your argument is now officially invalid.
Very good. You found one little known page written by one guy who may or may not know a damn thing about hockey.
Again, you use last season prospectus....find one for this year or better just go to the thread that has the link....or how about one from Hockeys Future.... http://www.hockeysfu...ngs-2011-2012/3 15 is higher than 17 bud. http://www.puckprosp...?articleid=1347 here's another 3 is higher than 4 BUD. Just keep holding on to outdated material and analysis... NEXT!
Uh...generic statements from those two at the presser, they would say the same thing anywhere they would've signed...NEXT!
So, the Finnish league is superior to the AHL...ok, sign up all NHL teams to change their minor league affiliates to the Finnish league...what are these NHL personnel thinking, associating with the worst league in the world....NEXT!
They chose Minny for family...they'd say the same generic rah rah in any other city....NEXT!
Wild on top of the NW division for the first half of the season, then they blew a wad....got hurt...whatever....just where was Detroit before they got a rash of injuries? Top of the NHL...NHL! Not division...NEXT!
Are we wondering what Holland is doing since he lost out on Suter? Hell yeah, and we hope he does some stuff! This I will agree with you on, he hasn't done much since the Suter-stakes, but he has been the best, so I will reserve judgement until we miss the playoffs...NEXT!
I wont say how much greater we are historically, lets just look at the last 12 season so we can be on even playing ground....oh, still greater, nevermind...NEXT!
Kronwall is just as good as Suter offensively and better in the hitting department...Kronwall can be a #1...Suter is better defensively, but its not like Kronwall stinks at it...NEXT!
Holland did speak to Schultz...again Detroit is not in Canada...Parise not worth that much money, Holland offered him what he is worth...I think the Wild may have gotten just as far with Schultz, thanks but we want to play in Canada...NEXT!
Parise also said he'd love to play with Pavel Datsyuk, as a matter of fact so would most of the league per the players poll last season...Koivu is good too, either way Parise would've got to play with a great centerman...NEXT!
I am sorry, I guess there are no MEN in the AHL...they are all little boys with no experience and Tatar is just a God amongst them... If you want to degrade Detroit's prospects based on just your opinion, then here is mine, Granfool has no business even putting skates on. There even I can just spout off at the mouth without researching facts...NEXT!
Anyhow, like I said, congrats on being a fan of the Wild and lucking out that those two have family there...you won the UFA sweeps, yippee! Now lets see them become a dynasty powerhouse and make the playoffs for the next 13 years...You can spout all you want, you just cannot get over the fact that if it weren't for FAMILY, Not Grandrool, Not Koivu, Not Heatley, Not Centcougar, FAMILY, if it weren't for FAMILY, Parise would be a Devil and Suter would be a Red Wing...from there mouths, quote unquote, proven to you over and over again....do us all a favor...accept it, enjoy it and know that if it weren't for FAMILY they'd be playing for LESS money elsewhere...Minnesota had to outbid NJ and Detroit as well... We accept the fact that they are Wild, you just accept the fact why they chose the Wild...GOODBYE!
I think you have been Gaped enough on these subjects, please stop before you ass starts to bleed...
Again, you use an article from the VERY SAME website I posted from (hockeysfuture) only the one you're trying pawn off as "old" is actually newer than the one YOU posted.
Here's yours: http://www.hockeysfu.../team-rankings/
As you can see at the top of the page, it is PRESEASON 2011-2012.
Here's mine: http://www.hockeysfu...ring-2012-1-10/
SPRING 2012 buddy. Last time I checked, that is later than fall 2011.
I like how you just ignore all arguments and then continue to post the same things over and over again. It's tiresome. I've read all your old opinions. You've yet to ACTUALLY discredit any of my arguments.
"Suter would have signed with the Wings if Zach didn't sign with Minnesota" Oh yeah? Where's the quote? Where's the source? Where is any shred of evidence other than you flapping your gums? It's annoying. If you're going to post like everything you say is absolute fact, then you should probably back it up with viable evidence.
In the end though, it's a moot point. Zach Parise and Ryan Suter will be lacing up at the X next season and not at the Joe. You didn't get them and now you're in a hole. If you think that you have a playoff caliber team right now then please, explain. If you want to keep posting about random things that you cannot support, have fun with that.
They would have said the same thing in another city? Maybe. But they are saying it in Minnesota, so I guess you'll never know. NEXT.
Oh the NHL teams should switch their development teams to Finnish pro teams? Yeah, that makes sense. That way when they need them it's just a quick flight to... Oh wait, it's not. The reason for the AHL being the minor league of the NHL is because of proximity. If teams need a guy, they can get him in a few hours. It's not because a league full of career AHL'ers and 19 year old kids is a super strong league.
Here's a little tidbit on how leagues around the world are ranked:The NHL and IIHF both rank the various leagues in the world, and give them rankings. In both systems, the NHL is considered the best league and is scored as a "100"NHL Central Scouting (as of February 1st)National Hockey League 100Elitsarien (Sweden) 89Kontinental Hockey League (Russia) 87SM-Liiga (Finland) 83Czech Republic League (Czech Republic) 81Slovakioan Extraliga (Slovakia) 74Switzerland 72Deutsche Eishockey League 70The American Hockey League has a ranking of 57The International Ice Hockey Federation's rankings (as of December 1, 2009)National Hockey League 100Elitsarien (Sweden) 91Kontinental Hockey League (Russia) 87Czech Republic League (Czech Republic) 84SM-Liiga (Finland) 82Slovakian Extraliga (Slovakia) 76Switzerland 73Deutsche Eishockey League 71The IIHF ranks the AHL as a 61, and ranks the Czech league ahead of the Finnish league.No AHL team has beaten a fully staffed NHL team since the 1960s, however several teams from all European leagues have beaten fully staffed NHL and AHL teams over the past 36 years.Now, on to your other "topics". So, the Red Wings (an established franchise for quite some time now) is better than an expansion franchise the last 12 years? You don't say... Wow, you guys must be really good. That's impressive 0.oKronwall is as good as Suter? That explains how Suter outscored him the past 3 seasons WITHOUT Lidstrom on his team. Better at hitting and yet even Mikko Koivu was able to flatten him out. NEXT!
What's that? Holland spoke with Schultz? So did Fletcher. The difference is, Holland wasn't even allowed in to see Schultz while Fletcher was. Detroit is losing it's twinkle my friend. Oh Parise isn't worth that kind of money? Funny, on your "ideal roster" that used to be your sig.. You had both him AND Suter making $7.5AAV for the Wings. What are they making in Minnesota... $7.5AAV!!! NEXT
Datsyuk is Parise's favorite player? Parise admires the Wings organization? Oh, well then he should be playing there, right? Especially since Suter was "quoted" as saying he was going to sign in Detroit.
Yes. Tatar, a .72 PPG player is a god in the AHL. He's clearly knocking everyone right out of their socks with his immense talent. I already proved above that the AHL is not even in the same sentence as leagues like Elitsarian, the KHL or SM-Liiga... But I suppose you'll probably ignore that too.
Well at least I make actual arguments and present actual evidence, you?
I still don't understand how you think your prospects are better. Here's the link..again.. http://www.hockeysfu...pring-2012-1-10
2. Minnesota ...... 10. Detroit
That does not mean your prospects are better. 2. comes before 10 on the number line bud.
As for Tatar, again.. You just made the same argument but instead of using just last years numbers you used all 3 years. So.. 147points in 204 games = 147/204
So he's ACTUALLY a .72 PPG player.. My bad, I overestimated him. Granlund.. 3 years for IFK would be 127pts. in 119games so... 1.1PPG.. Still a point per game players in a league where he facing 26, 27 even 28 year old men. Some even older. Not to mention the league is defensive minded and yes, superior competition then the AHL. It's a professional league and has been called by many the 2nd or 3rd best league in the world behind the NHL. AHL isn't even top 5. If that's not enough for you, Granlund is also a more than a point per game player internationally. He's won 2 bronze medals as captain of the junior Finnish national team and a gold as the assistant captain on the Finnish World championship team, again... A MEN'S tournament. So no, I don't see how any of those prospects you have listed can even hold a candle to Granlund. Nyquist is the only one I would even let on the ice with Granlund.
Also, the only way your argument would hold water is if either of them were asked directly about the Wild's roster. They weren't. You clearly didn't even watch the press conference. They were asked "why Minnesota" basically. They said a few things. One was family as you already mentioned. They also mentioned that they think the Wild have the best prospects in the league. Parise actually said in an interview that he knows not all young players pan out but that he knows the importance of prospects. Fact of the matter is, they are the only way to build a successful team for the long term in the cap era. That's what the Wild have done and continue to do as they draft extremely well. They also mentioned that money had nothing to do with it because at a certain point, it doesn't matter how much you have you're going to be set for life. Both of them mentioned the chance to play together really interested them and the final reason they stated? The solid roster Minnesota already had. They both know where the Wild were through the 1st half of the year (on top of the NW Division). They volunteered their affection for the players already on the roster without being directly asked about it. Parise even said he would LOVE to play with Mikko Koivu because he thinks they play a similar game and that Mikko is one of the most underrated players in the league. Bottom line is Holland low balled them and didn't have enough appeal to even be in the final few teams for Parise. Again, they couldn't even get in to speak with Schultz while the Wild could. I won't even respond to the North Stars bit because you're obviously just trying to troll and I feel bad for you.
You can rest on your laurels all you want and say how much greater you are than a franchise that's 12 years old and pat yourself on the back for that.. But the fact remains that your two best players are past their primes, your best player and Captain just retired, your GM hasn't done anything to improve the franchise and your relying on Niklas Kronwall to apparently be your best defenseman.. Good luck with all that.
Ventured over to the Wild's fan site for a moment (the one that mister cougar belongs too) and found this lil snippet he posted in reference to signing ZP and RS......
"Certainly family played a roll" - centcougar07
But I thought you said that was false and we were lying to you cougs????
Nope, because I already admitted that it played a roll.