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#61 FlashyG

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 11:25 PM

So, you disagree with this assessment? :D

I think most SANE Wings fans would. At the same time, he is entitled to his opinion. Just like I have stood up for the refereeing that many people here think is ungodly bad. Does my opinion about the refereeing fall into the "trolling" category just because it differs from the majority? No.

To be totally honest, I believe they should be shutting down people who are levying personal attacks against other members. There is a way to have a great debate on a topic. Levying personal attacks isn't the way to go.


I agree 100% about the personal attacks

Disagreement is fine, but when nearly all of your posts on a Red Wings forum are taking shots at the Wings you're straddling the line from being a dissenter to a contrarian troll.

A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:

Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.

Contrarian Warning Sign Number Two: Constant references to the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you."

Contrarian Warning Sign Number Three: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no ready answers.

Contrarian Warning Sign Number Four: Accusing the accusers. When confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath his notice.

Contrarian Warning Sign Number Five: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics as beneath notice all the while continuing to respond to them.

Contrarian Warning Sign Number Six: One distinctive mark of Contrarian Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.



#62 Matt

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:36 AM

FlashyG -- That's a fantastic post. In fact, I had to look up the piece you quoted, and found it here:

http://nirmukta.com/...thought-groups/

Great insight there.

#63 Johnz96

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:30 AM

So, you disagree with this assessment? :D

I think most SANE Wings fans would. At the same time, he is entitled to his opinion. Just like I have stood up for the refereeing that many people here think is ungodly bad. Does my opinion about the refereeing fall into the "trolling" category just because it differs from the majority? No.

To be totally honest, I believe they should be shutting down people who are levying personal attacks against other members. There is a way to have a great debate on a topic. Levying personal attacks isn't the way to go.

You don't think the refereeing in the NHL is ungodly bad???
*#$%^&^%^%$ @#$# @$ %$&#$%^ #@#$ $#%* #*%*@$

I agree 100% about the personal attacks

Disagreement is fine, but when nearly all of your posts on a Red Wings forum are taking shots at the Wings you're straddling the line from being a dissenter to a contrarian troll.

Wow. Until recently confronting one, I was completely unaware of the existence of the centrarian sub species of troll

Edited by Jedi, 13 July 2012 - 09:17 AM.


#64 Johnz96

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 07:10 AM

It's hard not to express myself with what be considered personal attacks with some of the idiotic crap some people post here

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:32 AM

I find certain aspects of this topic ironic.

Things will get better when the season starts and people have the Wings to pick on, instead of each other. :tounge:

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 11:07 AM


  • Before responding to a post or comment please read and understand its gist thoroughly, asking for clarification if necessary.


  • Avoid personal attacks against individuals but practice criticism of ideas. The focus should be on increasing our combined knowledge, not on putting people down.


  • Disagree without being disagreeable. Defend your opinions without being defensive.


  • Avoid posting sexually suggestive material or using language considered impolite in public settings.
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  • Be informed about common logical fallacies before challenging the arguments put forth by others.

  • I just changed browsers from Mozilla to Google Chrome and everything is going bonkers here including format and font. Sorry if this is difficult to decode! Meanhile, the Above was in the same link Matt copied and I thought it was good stuff too. I'm outta here!

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#67 haroldsnepsts

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 12:42 PM

To me, this is the heart of it:

Avoid personal attacks against individuals but practice criticism of ideas. The focus should be on increasing our combined knowledge, not on putting people down.



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Posted 15 July 2012 - 01:01 PM

To me, this is the heart of it:


I feel smarter just reading that. :tounge:

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#69 Vladifan

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 02:37 PM

Again, you have a remedy if you think you're being personally attacked. Rather than being nailed yourself for retaliating, REPORT it.

Personally, I have problems with posters who are passive aggressive. They gouge and dig and get sarcastic and then when confronted by those in charge, they back off saying something like, "Who? Me?"

Lastly - it's usually a telltale sign of insecurity and a sense of inferiority if you personally attack someone in response. That's true on these boards. It's true in politics, and in everyday life. It makes YOU look bad. Not the other guy.

"He even ate with women who at that time were accorded the same status as the family donkey. Are we willing to break bread with, say, child sex slaves, transgender teens and undocumented workers? Because when Jesus comes back to Earth, that's where he'll be hanging."
You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him.

 
 
 


#70 Johnz96

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:55 PM

No recent sightings of the centrarian troll, I guess it must have been banished or maybe even run over

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:15 PM

I miss the neg button. Seemed like a more efficient way to tell someone their opinion sucked rather than the threads being taken over by the personal attack posts.

 
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:08 AM

No recent sightings of the centrarian troll, I guess it must have been banished or maybe even run over

Or both, simultaneously.
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#73 number9

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 04:16 AM

bring back negs!

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:50 AM

Not that this is anybody's fault... Meg...





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