b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 Unlike Nash, Ryan has not been playing with scrubs. Perry-Getzlaf-Ryan has been one of the strongest lines in the league for the past few years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 And who's to say we can't have Ryan and Semin? Does trading for Ryan rule us out for Semin? No, but it is apparently going to cost us more than fair trade (which would be Filppula +, not +++) and all word from the Wings camp is "not interested" on Semin. This isn't about "can't trade Filppula no matter what" like you suggested above, its about including him with too many other assets for a player who is in no way better than keeping Filppula and future players while adding Semin. I say again: Ryan > Semin. Ryan > Filppula. Ryan << Semin, Filppula, prospects, picks. And IMO, Ryan < Filppula, Mursak, Tatar, 2nd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) I'm confused what you mean by sit out? If he's under contract he can't just sit out can he? Breach of contract which would do him absolutely no good at all. He can F the dog every game until they trade him but he can't just stay at home and eat pizza lol. Does anyone else find is slightly alarming that this guy doesn't want to play in any Canadian cities because he doesn't want to be under the microscope? Look at his list of teams that he gave except for San Jose all the teams listed are huge hockey markets where he will be under the microscope just as much as he would be in a Canadian city. Any player can most certainly stay home and eat pizza, this is a free country... now, they may get fined by the team and "suspended" without pay while they do so, but a holdout would be, by no means, something new to sports... it's much less prevalent in the NHL and it doesn't do a lot for a player in the terms of their reputation, but the option is always there and from the sounds of how upset Ryan is becomming with the way they've handled him, I wouldn't say it's impossible he would choose to do so... unlikely, yes, but not impossible... Edited July 11, 2012 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 ...Every other team in the NHL has the Wings' top-sixers figured out (or, at least, they know in theory what you need to do to shut them down). Box them out to the perimeter, rush and rattle them, take away their time and space, outmuscle them. We need a guy (or two) who's going to help fix that by giving our top-6 a new dimension (or two). Semin would be content to take shots from the perimeter, just like all our current "scorers." True, he's got a great shot, but I'd prefer a guy who'll bulldoze through the front door instead of slinging pebbles at the windows. Great point. Ryan will find a way to get to the middle, and he'll punch people in the face! esteef 1 LidsFan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 Great point. Ryan will find a way to get to the middle, and he'll punch people in the face! esteef Yea! And ride in on a steed, while slinging fire and stabbing people's faces with tridents! Yea! YEA!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 Yea! And ride in on a steed, while slinging fire and stabbing people's faces with tridents! Yea! YEA!!! Exactly! Wooooooooo! esteef 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,205 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) No, but it is apparently going to cost us more than fair trade (which would be Filppula +, not +++) and all word from the Wings camp is "not interested" on Semin. This isn't about "can't trade Filppula no matter what" like you suggested above, its about including him with too many other assets for a player who is in no way better than keeping Filppula and future players while adding Semin. You're not playing fair. If we're going to include Semin, it's not Ryan Vs. Filppula + future players + Semin - it's Ryan potentially+ Semin Vs. Filppula + future players potentially+ Semin. The two Semins cancel, and what we're left with is Ryan Vs. Filppula + future players. Players like Flip are rare. Players like Ryan are just as - if not more - rare. Filppula is sort of the prototypical 21st-Century Wing. Bobby Ryan is a 25-year-old power-forward, one of the premier forwards in the game today. He's got, what, something like five straight 30+-goal seasons under his belt - and he's only 25. We don't have anyone like him in our system. We're not going to draft someone like him. Here's opportunity knocking. Again, I like Flip. So I'm honestly not trying to be just a plain old jerkoff when I ask: How many goals did he score against the Predators in our first-round exit? And is the answer not a wee bit troubling? Edited July 11, 2012 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pucktividi 472 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 Every other team in the NHL has the Wings' top-sixers figured out (or, at least, they know in theory what you need to do to shut them down). And that is to pray that Datsyuk isn't 100% ready Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings10 300 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 Wings are not going to trade for Nash, Ryan..and won't be signing Doan or Semin, the sooner you guys realize this the better you will be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 792 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 Wings are not going to trade for Nash, Ryan..and won't be signing Doan or Semin, the sooner you guys realize this the better you will be. I really don't believe that at all. I think we will do one of those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 For all anyone knows, Ryan is not even on the block... his GM talked to him after his comments over draft weekend, and ever since it's been quiet. Things probably got smoothed over and he's fine now, but who knows. I just think the possibility of us getting Nash or Ryan are remote to zero. We are far more likely to trade for Yandle or Bouwmeester. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 You're not playing fair. If we're going to include Semin, it's not Ryan Vs. Filppula + future players + Semin - it's Ryan potentially+ Semin Vs. Filppula + future players potentially+ Semin. The two Semins cancel, and what we're left with is Ryan Vs. Filppula + future players. Players like Flip are rare. Players like Ryan are just as - if not more - rare. Filppula is sort of the prototypical 21st-Century Wing. Bobby Ryan is a 25-year-old power-forward, one of the premier forwards in the game today. He's got, what, something like five straight 30+-goal seasons under his belt - and he's only 25. We don't have anyone like him in our system. We're not going to draft someone like him. Here's opportunity knocking. Again, I like Flip. So I'm honestly not trying to be just a plain old jerkoff when I ask: How many goals did he score against the Predators in our first-round exit? And is the answer not a wee bit troubling? Fair enough; I saw it as sign Semin OR trade for Ryan, not both. Either way, I would be wary of giving up too much in any trade. As I said somewhere previously, if we don't give up too many prospects or picks, Filppula could come back as UFA next season, and it could be great. Just don't want to get rid of a guy we developed into one hell of a player AND chunks of the future for a slight improvement. As far as who didn't score (in this case, Filppula) during our first-round exit to the Preds: who DID score? Not many. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 As far as who didn't score (in this case, Filppula) during our first-round exit to the Preds: who DID score? Not many. True, but... Filppula was the only significant offensive forward that didn't score a goal. Zetterberg scored twice. Datsyuk scored. Franzen scored. Even Hudler managed to score twice. What's even worse is that Filppula struggled to create much in the offensive zone at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 I'm surprised Minnesota isn't on Nash's radar. Thought maybe that's the place to be nowdays 1 LidsFan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spongebob is a wings fan 18 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 I'm surprised Minnesota isn't on Nash's radar. Thought maybe that's the place to be nowdays according to the Thunder buddies (Zach + Ryan ) everyone and Jesus Christ is going to be wanting to play in Minnesota LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
korrowan 111 Report post Posted July 11, 2012 according to the Thunder buddies (Zach + Ryan ) everyone and Jesus Christ is going to be wanting to play in Minnesota LOL Lol @ Thunder buddies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted July 11, 2012 The more I think about it the more I am inclined to believe it would be counter productive to deal Flip. Right now he is too important to our team offensively and defensively. He's a solid all around player who will likely get even better than he is right now. Plus he is just entering his prime years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 952 Report post Posted July 12, 2012 Does anyone else find is slightly alarming that this guy doesn't want to play in any Canadian cities because he doesn't want to be under the microscope? Look at his list of teams that he gave except for San Jose all the teams listed are huge hockey markets where he will be under the microscope just as much as he would be in a Canadian city. I think that's jibberish for the Canadian teams are either f*cked or they suck, and in a couple cases both. I've mentioned it before but who would you honestly expect him to want to go in Canada? Only team that I could see wanting to be a part of (at the moment of course) would be Edmonton, but does he want to relocate to Edmonton? Apparently not... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 12, 2012 I thought for sure Vancouver would be in the mix as a possible destination for Nash. However that seems like it's not the case. Good lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) according to the Thunder buddies (Zach + Ryan ) everyone and Jesus Christ is going to be wanting to play in Minnesota LOL Jesus Christ? That guy is lazy and sucks, I don't know why the Wild would want him... He apparently does too much partying with hookers and blow anyway... Edited July 12, 2012 by stevkrause 2 spongebob is a wings fan and CheliFan89 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) Parise and Suter make their first appearance as a Minnesota Wild... Edited July 12, 2012 by Hatethedrake! 1 spongebob is a wings fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted July 12, 2012 I heard the whining on the radio today about Nash not including a Canadian team on his list. Why would he want to play for a Canadian team? Getting Nash will be better than Parise. 3 F.Michael, LeftWinger and 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 952 Report post Posted July 12, 2012 Kudos on both accounts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spongebob is a wings fan 18 Report post Posted July 12, 2012 Parise and Suter make their first appearance as a Minnesota Wild... have fun in Minnestoa together "THUNDER BUDDIES" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Crazy 201 Report post Posted July 12, 2012 I think Nash would be a great addition for the Wings even though it would cost us Flip. Nash is crazy good and he has never had a chance to play with anyone really decent in CBJ. I would rather see Mule go but I think Flip is more valuable at this time. With Z and Pav getting older we are going to need a high scoring winger. Let Z or Pav set him up all day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites