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Red Wings make "helluva" offer for Nash, no response

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You are right in that it is high risk, and for a winger mind you. I think that price is too steep, especially with the 1st rounder added in too which is what you didn't discuss.

Would you make that trade? I wouldn't.

Link? Source?

I haven't read a single report on what was offered. It certainly would be nice to hear something credible before we pass judgement.

Otherwise, I heard from "a source" that he offered Dats, Zetterberg, and Franzen for Nash and they rejected. :D

For real... I am scratching my head at the lack of intellectual honesty being displayed in some of these posts. "I heard..." and "Reports say..." "....and therefore Holland blows!!!!" eh... really?

IF it's true that Holland made a "hell of a offer" ... we can probably safely assume that it was something *more* than Franzen, prospect, pick or Fillpula, prospect, pick......

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Well - Franzen these past few years has been rather inconsistent, and doesn't appear willing to get those "dirty" goals as he used to.

Prior to this past season - Filppula has been a 35 to 40 pts guy; he's not a 20 to 22 yr old kid who's on the upswing of his career; he's peaked at 28 yrs of age, and IMHO he'll return to the 35 to 40 pts per season.

I'm a realist.

No, you're a pessimist for the sole fact that you assume a 28 year old has peaked and that automatically means he declines instead of at least maintaining his production for a few more seasons at least. Had you said the latter I would consider you a realist.

Also, Franzen has all the tools to become more dominant, even at 32. It's up to him to compete, so we'll see.

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For real... I am scratching my head at the lack of intellectual honesty being displayed in some of these posts. "I heard..." and "Reports say..." ....and therefore Holland blows!!!! eh... really?

IF it's true that Holland made a "hell of a offer" ... we can probably safely assume that it was something *more* than Franzen, prospect, pick or Fillpula, prospect, pick......

The thing is the "helluva an offer" is an equally weak source.

The reality is we don't really know anything more than we did before. Either way, it seems extremely unlikely the Blue Jackets would deal Nash to Detroit.

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If that was the offer, I don't blame Howson. Anything short of Filppula+Miller or Abdelkader+Nyguist, Tatar or Jurco(or maybe even two of them)+ draft pick(s) should be rejected if Howson wants to keep his job. He's in a tough spot. He needs to make this trade look good if he wants to keep his job.

Its unbelievable to me that this asspick still has a job. The Jackets ARE NOT going to get a "Rich Nash" in the trade...they simply have to aquire the best set of players and move on. Nash can't go back there and play again. The fans are disgruntaled and Nash is a goat. The organization hung him out to dry when they "let it slip" that he would be open to a trade ( remember it was Howson that went to Nash and asked if he would waive his NMC...not Nash initiating) This guy has already made a huge mess of the hockey team and of this situation...the best thing to do is to get some assets in return and move on. The only reason he is in a tough spot is because he put himself there.

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There are no reports anywhere that state what names were involved or even IF this indeed even happened. I will believe it when I see Ken Holland quoted by a good source.

And there's no way Holland will ever come out & confirm who was offered up. That would certainly do wonders in the locker room if he did.

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The thing is the "helluva an offer" is an equally weak source.

"helluva an offer"... I’ve heard it both ways, and agreed... which is why I put the upper case and bold "IF". ;) But even without some non-official source saying these things, does anyone really think Holland would have low-balled for Rick Nash knowing Howson wants the moon for him?

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Well - Franzen these past few years has been rather inconsistent, and doesn't appear willing to get those "dirty" goals as he used to.

Prior to this past season - Filppula has been a 35 to 40 pts guy; he's not a 20 to 22 yr old kid who's on the upswing of his career; he's peaked at 28 yrs of age, and IMHO he'll return to the 35 to 40 pts per season.

I'm a realist.

So Filppula is going to drop 50% in point production during a contract year? If Jiri 'f*ing' Hudler can have a career year during his contract year, we sure in the f*ck know Filppula can.

How's that for reality?

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So Filppula is going to drop 50% in point production during a contract year? If Jiri 'f*ing' Hudler can have a career year during his contract year, we sure in the f*ck know Filppula can.

How's that for reality?

Would anyone have expected Cheechoo's numbers to drop like a rock?

Would anyone have predicted Cole doing well in Montreal, or Ryder do well in Dallas?

Filppula's not some kid who's breaking into the NHL - he's a vet, and at the age of 28 he's pretty much at his peak...His previous years were 35 to 40 pts per season...So - Flip was waiting for the right moment to burst out the 60 plus pts a season?..That doesn't make any sense.

He had a great season - no doubt about it, but to expect him to hit 60 plus pts again is rather a tall order when ya consider his production of previous years.

No, you're a pessimist for the sole fact that you assume a 28 year old has peaked and that automatically means he declines instead of at least maintaining his production for a few more seasons at least. Had you said the latter I would consider you a realist.

Also, Franzen has all the tools to become more dominant, even at 32. It's up to him to compete, so we'll see.

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Would anyone have expected Cheechoo's numbers to drop like a rock?

Would anyone have predicted Cole doing well in Montreal, or Ryder do well in Dallas?

Filppula's not some kid who's breaking into the NHL - he's a vet, and at the age of 28 he's pretty much at his peak...His previous years were 35 to 40 pts per season...So - Flip was waiting for the right moment to burst out the 60 plus pts a season?..That doesn't make any sense.

He had a great season - no doubt about it, but to expect him to hit 60 plus pts again is rather a tall order when ya consider his production of previous years.

Can say the same for that 7.5 million dollar 28 year old that's only had 1 season over 70 points.

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Can say the same for that 7.5 million dollar 28 year old that's only had 1 season over 70 points.

Of course...

In his defense he's been on a pretty crappy Blue Jackets throughout his career...Saying that doesn't guarantee him hitting 50 plus goals as a Red Wing either.

Personally - I feel going after Ryan is probably the better choice, and would cost us alot less.

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Of course...

In his defense he's been on a pretty crappy Blue Jackets throughout his career...Saying that doesn't guarantee him hitting 50 plus goals as a Red Wing either.

Personally - I feel going after Ryan is probably the better choice, and would cost us alot less.

Agreed. I don't see how Nash would improve the Red Wings if you have to give up Franzen and Filpulla.

I just rather them focus on getting a defenseman, I'd rather use the players we'd trade for Ryan, on a defenseman.

Not sure who, but there has to be a someone available at some point before the playoffs this year.

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Would anyone have expected Cheechoo's numbers to drop like a rock?

Would anyone have predicted Cole doing well in Montreal, or Ryder do well in Dallas?

Filppula's not some kid who's breaking into the NHL - he's a vet, and at the age of 28 he's pretty much at his peak...His previous years were 35 to 40 pts per season...So - Flip was waiting for the right moment to burst out the 60 plus pts a season?..That doesn't make any sense.

He had a great season - no doubt about it, but to expect him to hit 60 plus pts again is rather a tall order when ya consider his production of previous years.

:lol:

His production went up when he got on a line with Z and was no longer the 3rd line shut down guy. He excelled in more of a scoring role with 66 points as opposed to being the 3rd line centre and not getting as many quality opportunities to score and he's also on the PP.

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His production went up when he got on a line with Z and was no longer the 3rd line shut down guy. He excelled in more of a scoring role with 66 points as opposed to being the 3rd line centre and not getting as many quality opportunities to score and he's also on the PP.

In years past he's been on the pp, and played alongside Dats/Hank (mind you without any consistency as Babs always line juggles), and never got anywhere near what he's done this past season.

I hope Flip hits 80 plus pts this season - I really do...I'm not gonna hold my breath though.

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In years past he's been on the pp, and played alongside Dats/Hank (mind you without any consistency as Babs always line juggles), and never got anywhere near what he's done this past season.

I hope Flip hits 80 plus pts this season - I really do...I'm not gonna hold my breath though.

Filpulla went from 16:43 per game in 10-11 to 18:15 in 11-12

Powerplay went up 20 seconds as well. It's pretty clear they had given him more offensive responsbilities last year than years past when he played shorthanded more than on the powerplay.

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Filpulla went from 16:43 per game in 10-11 to 18:15 in 11-12

Powerplay went up 20 seconds as well. It's pretty clear they had given him more offensive responsbilities last year than years past when he played shorthanded more than on the powerplay.

Just think what he'd do with 20 min of playing time ;)

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Wait, do we know the actual offer?

Of course not. We're speculators, speculating on speculation. This is "Let's Go Wallstreet", isn't it.

Anyway, I don't think we are in any position to move Filppula anyway. I think the injuries to Datsyuk and Helm last season showed us how thin we really were down the middle. And we're still a few years away from having any of our prospects make that big step.

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I for one am so glad the Wings were declined. Nash is a great player but is over a million dollars more against the cap than he is worth

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