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Red Wings make "helluva" offer for Nash, no response

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#61 GMRwings1983

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:55 PM

This would be almost as cool as Hogan joining the NWO.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:27 PM

Well - Franzen these past few years has been rather inconsistent, and doesn't appear willing to get those "dirty" goals as he used to.

Prior to this past season - Filppula has been a 35 to 40 pts guy; he's not a 20 to 22 yr old kid who's on the upswing of his career; he's peaked at 28 yrs of age, and IMHO he'll return to the 35 to 40 pts per season.

I'm a realist.


So Filppula is going to drop 50% in point production during a contract year? If Jiri 'f*ing' Hudler can have a career year during his contract year, we sure in the f*ck know Filppula can.

How's that for reality?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:30 PM

So wait some people actually wanted them to trade two players that both had similar years or better than Rick Nash? Not to mention their cap hits together aren't as high as his.

What in the hell are people thinking?

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:58 PM

So Filppula is going to drop 50% in point production during a contract year? If Jiri 'f*ing' Hudler can have a career year during his contract year, we sure in the f*ck know Filppula can.

How's that for reality?

Would anyone have expected Cheechoo's numbers to drop like a rock?

Would anyone have predicted Cole doing well in Montreal, or Ryder do well in Dallas?

Filppula's not some kid who's breaking into the NHL - he's a vet, and at the age of 28 he's pretty much at his peak...His previous years were 35 to 40 pts per season...So - Flip was waiting for the right moment to burst out the 60 plus pts a season?..That doesn't make any sense.

He had a great season - no doubt about it, but to expect him to hit 60 plus pts again is rather a tall order when ya consider his production of previous years.

No, you're a pessimist for the sole fact that you assume a 28 year old has peaked and that automatically means he declines instead of at least maintaining his production for a few more seasons at least. Had you said the latter I would consider you a realist.

Also, Franzen has all the tools to become more dominant, even at 32. It's up to him to compete, so we'll see.

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#65 Carman

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:59 PM

Would anyone have expected Cheechoo's numbers to drop like a rock?

Would anyone have predicted Cole doing well in Montreal, or Ryder do well in Dallas?

Filppula's not some kid who's breaking into the NHL - he's a vet, and at the age of 28 he's pretty much at his peak...His previous years were 35 to 40 pts per season...So - Flip was waiting for the right moment to burst out the 60 plus pts a season?..That doesn't make any sense.

He had a great season - no doubt about it, but to expect him to hit 60 plus pts again is rather a tall order when ya consider his production of previous years.


Can say the same for that 7.5 million dollar 28 year old that's only had 1 season over 70 points.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:03 PM

Can say the same for that 7.5 million dollar 28 year old that's only had 1 season over 70 points.

Of course...

In his defense he's been on a pretty crappy Blue Jackets throughout his career...Saying that doesn't guarantee him hitting 50 plus goals as a Red Wing either.

Personally - I feel going after Ryan is probably the better choice, and would cost us alot less.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:07 PM

Personally - I feel going after Ryan is probably the better choice, and would cost us alot less.


I doubt Ryan's value is less than that of Nash.
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#68 Carman

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:07 PM

Of course...

In his defense he's been on a pretty crappy Blue Jackets throughout his career...Saying that doesn't guarantee him hitting 50 plus goals as a Red Wing either.

Personally - I feel going after Ryan is probably the better choice, and would cost us alot less.


Agreed. I don't see how Nash would improve the Red Wings if you have to give up Franzen and Filpulla.

I just rather them focus on getting a defenseman, I'd rather use the players we'd trade for Ryan, on a defenseman.
Not sure who, but there has to be a someone available at some point before the playoffs this year.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:11 PM

Would anyone have expected Cheechoo's numbers to drop like a rock?

Would anyone have predicted Cole doing well in Montreal, or Ryder do well in Dallas?

Filppula's not some kid who's breaking into the NHL - he's a vet, and at the age of 28 he's pretty much at his peak...His previous years were 35 to 40 pts per season...So - Flip was waiting for the right moment to burst out the 60 plus pts a season?..That doesn't make any sense.

He had a great season - no doubt about it, but to expect him to hit 60 plus pts again is rather a tall order when ya consider his production of previous years.


:lol:


His production went up when he got on a line with Z and was no longer the 3rd line shut down guy. He excelled in more of a scoring role with 66 points as opposed to being the 3rd line centre and not getting as many quality opportunities to score and he's also on the PP.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:16 PM

His production went up when he got on a line with Z and was no longer the 3rd line shut down guy. He excelled in more of a scoring role with 66 points as opposed to being the 3rd line centre and not getting as many quality opportunities to score and he's also on the PP.

In years past he's been on the pp, and played alongside Dats/Hank (mind you without any consistency as Babs always line juggles), and never got anywhere near what he's done this past season.

I hope Flip hits 80 plus pts this season - I really do...I'm not gonna hold my breath though.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:20 PM

In years past he's been on the pp, and played alongside Dats/Hank (mind you without any consistency as Babs always line juggles), and never got anywhere near what he's done this past season.

I hope Flip hits 80 plus pts this season - I really do...I'm not gonna hold my breath though.


Filpulla went from 16:43 per game in 10-11 to 18:15 in 11-12

Powerplay went up 20 seconds as well. It's pretty clear they had given him more offensive responsbilities last year than years past when he played shorthanded more than on the powerplay.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:23 PM

Filpulla went from 16:43 per game in 10-11 to 18:15 in 11-12

Powerplay went up 20 seconds as well. It's pretty clear they had given him more offensive responsbilities last year than years past when he played shorthanded more than on the powerplay.

Just think what he'd do with 20 min of playing time ;)

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:24 PM

Wait, do we know the actual offer?


Of course not. We're speculators, speculating on speculation. This is "Let's Go Wallstreet", isn't it.

Anyway, I don't think we are in any position to move Filppula anyway. I think the injuries to Datsyuk and Helm last season showed us how thin we really were down the middle. And we're still a few years away from having any of our prospects make that big step.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:27 PM

This would be almost as cool as Hogan joining the NWO.


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#75 Johnz96

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:53 PM

I for one am so glad the Wings were declined. Nash is a great player but is over a million dollars more against the cap than he is worth

#76 St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:09 PM

I for one am so glad the Wings were declined. Nash is a great player but is over a million dollars more against the cap than he is worth


Just a million? :P

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:31 PM

The wings need a shake up for sure and not just adding Tootoo to replace someone like Emmerton or Miller. This core has become stale. I wouldnt be against this trade at all really depending on who the prospect is. If its not a top one like a Nyquist, Smith, Jarnkrok and more a long the lines of Pulkkinen/Tatar level then it isnt that bad.

The ducks do however want a second line center for Ryan, so Filppula is a solid starting piece, plus I'm sure Murray knows how well him and Selanne get along. The ducks also dont really want young defensemen because they have Fowler, Sbisa etc already playing so Smith wouldnt have to be given up. Ryans also a righty and younger. I think the wings are in place to make a move for Ryan and potentially get him if they want a forward.

I still think a Yandle/Enstrom trade is in the works however.

Overall, I think that Ryan is a better fit for what the wings have to offer, but wouldnt be pissed with Nash either because he is still a young star type of player. But with names actually getting out, the wings must be working the trade scene hard because rumours never come out for the wings

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:36 PM

Won't happen.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:15 PM

Well it looks like drafting is the way to go now, and I'm ok with that. Let other teams over pay for FA's and sell the farm in trades.

Be prepared for a bit of a decline as our top prospects continue to get NHL ready, and we stock up on draft picks.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:16 PM

heh and i had a good feeling he was coming here...oh welll





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