Sheahan/Andersson

[newfy 695]

The wings really need a fourth line center badly. Emmerton just doesnt cut it and its still a weakness that hasnt been addressed this offseason. Abdelkader needs to play wing and shouldnt be stuck at center because of a lack of someone that can play it.

What is the liklihood/what does everyone think of Sheahan or Andersson taking that fourth line center spot this season? Both are big and very strong defensively and could be a good youth injection. I know the wings usually take their time with prospects but playing between Tootoo and Abdelkader and getting some PK time wouldnt be terrible for their development.

In that one game he played, Sheahan looked to be a presence out there working the boards and looked solid. With his size/strength combo and lack of a good 4th line center, is this the year where the wings jump a prospect in earlier than usual? Helm made his debut at about 21 did he not?

I wouldnt mind seeing something like this take place if a fourth line center isnt aquired

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

I like it. All for it.

As you can see in my sig too, i would very much like to see those 2 get some games this year.

Edited July 19, 2012 by Z Winged Dangler

[St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422]

I'm all for it too however, unfortunately I see Emmerton being our fourth line center again. I hope I'm wrong...

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

I'm all for it too however, unfortunately I see Emmerton being our fourth line center again. I hope I'm wrong...

Boo! Get a big body that can bang and crash on the 4th line....like LA who just won the cup...just sayin. Emmerton was good in Jr, didn't do jack in the AHL and only made the Wings last season cause he would have been waived for nothing. I'm ok with waiving him for nothing and putting those 2 guys on the roster, or at least 1 of them.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I'm definitely all for either one of those guys stepping in, but I think Andersson should get the chance, since he's paid his dues. Regardless, it'd be an upgrade over Emmerton.

[ben_usmc 253]

I think Sheahan is going to be a beast and would love to see him play on the 4th. But it does seem like Andersson put in his dues, so he at least deserves a shot.

[Red Wings Addict 787]

First of all, I thought they pretty much said Abdelkader will be the center on that 4th line during the Tootoo signing?

Second of all, they have too many forwards already. Either they plan on making a trade or they're going to see if Emmerton can pass through waivers and be a vet in GR.

In regards to Anderson and Sheahan, from what I remember, Andersson still has some balance issues on the ice in addition to his skating problems in general. I don't know how effective you can be if you have to keep picking yourself up off the ice. And Sheahan is still a little too young for my liking. It's still possible that they might go with one of these guys. It'd be a nice breath of fresh air for all those who expect the overripe treatment.

Overall, even though I just stated they have too many forwards, my hope is that someone is still out there who they can sign as a quality 4th line center. I don't have any idea as to who that may be though.

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

First of all, I thought they pretty much said Abdelkader will be the center on that 4th line during the Tootoo signing?

Second of all, they have too many forwards already. Either they plan on making a trade or they're going to see if Emmerton can pass through waivers and be a vet in GR.

In regards to Anderson and Sheahan, from what I remember, Andersson still has some balance issues on the ice in addition to his skating problems in general. I don't know how effective you can be if you have to keep picking yourself up off the ice. And Sheahan is still a little too young for my liking. It's still possible that they might go with one of these guys. It'd be a nice breath of fresh air for all those who expect the overripe treatment.

Overall, even though I just stated they have too many forwards, my hope is that someone is still out there who they can sign as a quality 4th line center. I don't have any idea as to who that may be though.

Ask Scotty Hartnell. Dude's got a charity fund for falling down.

[newfy 695]

First of all, I thought they pretty much said Abdelkader will be the center on that 4th line during the Tootoo signing?

Second of all, they have too many forwards already. Either they plan on making a trade or they're going to see if Emmerton can pass through waivers and be a vet in GR.

In regards to Anderson and Sheahan, from what I remember, Andersson still has some balance issues on the ice in addition to his skating problems in general. I don't know how effective you can be if you have to keep picking yourself up off the ice. And Sheahan is still a little too young for my liking. It's still possible that they might go with one of these guys. It'd be a nice breath of fresh air for all those who expect the overripe treatment.

Overall, even though I just stated they have too many forwards, my hope is that someone is still out there who they can sign as a quality 4th line center. I don't have any idea as to who that may be though.

Holland said he wants to see Tootoo and Abdelkader play together, that doesnt mean Abby has to be at centre however. But if one of these 2 can crack the squad there would obviously be trades, theres already going to be trades of some kind due to how many forwards they have. And now that Andersson has had some NHL time and a full offseason to workout, if he has a strong camp I dont se why his skating would be a concern for a fourth liner.

I do think trading Eaves/Miller/Emmerton for a fourth line center might be a better option

[dirtydangles 1,328]

I dont want to see sheahan turning into a career 4th liner. Id rather bring him in as a 3rd liner in another season with jarnkrok coming in to center either 3rd or 2nd in a few years.

[pucktividi 472]

I dont want to see sheahan turning into a career 4th liner. Id rather bring him in as a 3rd liner in another season with jarnkrok coming in to center either 3rd or 2nd in a few years.

Agree sheahan is too skilled to be a 4th line center

[kipwinger 8,522]

As of right now, if Sheahan or Andersson were on the fourth line the team would look like this

Bertuzzi-Dats-Franzen

Filppula-Z-Sammy

Nyquist/Brunner-Helm-Cleary

Tootoo-Sheahan/Andersson-Abby

If Abby plays the fourth center position that fourth line looks like this...

Tootoo-Abby-Miller/Eaves.

The second scenario is waaaaaaaaay better.

Finally, in either scenario our top six is a total joke.

[Danielsm 244]

Tootoo-Sheahan/Andersson-Abby... Man that's a nasty line to play against. Maybe not skillful enough though..

[kipwinger 8,522]

Tootoo-Sheahan/Andersson-Abby... Man that's a nasty line to play against. Maybe not skillful enough though..

Abby is a better NHL center than Sheahan or Andersson, and Miller and Eaves are better NHL wingers than Abby. Therefore, the line you mentioned, while ostensibly tough, is really less good than another you could put on the ice at any given time. Maybe put that line out when you're playing a bigger team or something.

[wings1110 184]

Sheahan and andersson need to learn how to use their size more, and no im not saying they should fight 10 times a year, but we need a 4th line that can put up 30 goals combined, be strong defensively, and s*** all over the opponent physically, and not back down be/punching bags. An extremely physical forecheck is under rated, especially when they play against the bottom D pairing often, which may have rookies, a physical presance easily gets them rattled and out of sorts rookie or not.

also our fourth line isn't nearly our biggest problem right now.

Edited July 19, 2012 by wings1110

[DatsyukianDangles122 16]

Brunner-Datsyuk-Nyquist

Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen

Cleary-Helm-Sammy

Bertuzzi-Abdelkader-Tootoo

No space for Sheahan/Andersson unless we trade somebody - and it gets even worse if we sign Semin/Doan (which probably won't happen at this point).

And just to add, I think Brunner and Nyquist need to be used in the top 6 (Babcock basically guaranteed that Brunner will start in the top 6 anyways) in order for them to realize their full potential. If we're talking best-case scenarios, I think that Brunner could hit ~55 pts playing on that top line with Datsyuk, and Nyquist should hit at least 40-60. That's pretty decent, and an improvement over last year(if it works out).

Brunner is faster than Bertuzzi, has a better shot, and has better hands. He's just way more suited for the top six than Bert is. In terms of the most optimistic outlook on next season, I think we could see something like this up front (point totals)

Nyquist (55) - Datsyuk (80) - Brunner (60)

Filppula (72) - Zetterberg (75) - Franzen (57)

Cleary (35) - Helm (32) - Samuelsson (36)

Tootoo (32) - Abdelkader (21) - Bertuzzi (30)

That's pretty good - definitely better than last year in my eyes. A more gritty, speedy, and overall more skilled roster than last year.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Brunner-Datsyuk-Nyquist

Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen

Cleary-Helm-Sammy

Bertuzzi-Abdelkader-Tootoo

No space for Sheahan/Andersson unless we trade somebody - and it gets even worse if we sign Semin/Doan (which probably won't happen at this point).

And just to add, I think Brunner and Nyquist need to be used in the top 6 (Babcock basically guaranteed that Brunner will start in the top 6 anyways) in order for them to realize their full potential. If we're talking best-case scenarios, I think that Brunner could hit ~55 pts playing on that top line with Datsyuk, and Nyquist should hit at least 40-60. That's pretty decent, and an improvement over last year(if it works out).

Brunner is faster than Bertuzzi, has a better shot, and has better hands. He's just way more suited for the top six than Bert is. In terms of the most optimistic outlook on next season, I think we could see something like this up front (point totals)

Nyquist (55) - Datsyuk (80) - Brunner (60)

Filppula (72) - Zetterberg (75) - Franzen (57)

Cleary (35) - Helm (32) - Samuelsson (36)

Tootoo (32) - Abdelkader (21) - Bertuzzi (30)

That's pretty good - definitely better than last year in my eyes. A more gritty, speedy, and overall more skilled roster than last year.

I must be a pessimist, but if those point totals (with that lineup) are even remotely accurate, I'll have to kiss someone's ass. God knows I hope for the best possible point production though.

Edited July 19, 2012 by kipwinger

[number9 3,297]

We need to dump bottom 6 forwards as is soooooo from my armchair I'd trade away Mursak, Emmerton, and Miller....this would leave your 13th and 14th forwards to be Nyquist and Andersson....To me, Sheahan simply has put his time in yet....He'll likely be a beast one day but he needs to do at least one full season in GR before he gets his shot.

Andersson and Nyquist could both earn full time spots on the team this year....and if that happens I'd trade away even more forwards....like an Eaves or something

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Just about anyone would be an upgrade over Emmerton as our 4th line center. Its obvious that we have too many bottom 6 forwards. Guys will be traded or placed on waivers, there is no getting around that. I'd like to think Ken would get a legitimate 4th line center, but I doubt it. I think both Sheahan and Andersson should see at least a few games this year. But you know the overripe thing, so we won't see a lot of either of them.

[kipwinger 8,522]

Just about anyone would be an upgrade over Emmerton as our 4th line center. Its obvious that we have too many bottom 6 forwards. Guys will be traded or placed on waivers, there is no getting around that. I'd like to think Ken would get a legitimate 4th line center, but I doubt it. I think both Sheahan and Andersson should see at least a few games this year. But you know the overripe thing, so we won't see a lot of either of them.

Again, why is everybody so against Abby being the fourth line center, considering he's a much worse winger than Bert, Cleary, Sammy, Eaves, Miller, Nyquist, and maybe Brunner? Why do we need to shop for a fourth line center when we've got a better one than last year, and better wingers than Abby when he plays that position?

Edited July 19, 2012 by kipwinger

[number9 3,297]

Again, why is everybody so against Abby being the fourth line center, considering he's a much worse winger than Bert, Cleary, Sammy, Eaves, Miller, Nyquist, and maybe Brunner? Why do we need to shop for a fourth line center when we've got a better one than last year, and better wingers than Abby when he plays that position?

this is true....Abby's just clearly better at wing than center

[kipwinger 8,522]

this is true....Abby's just clearly better at wing than center

That wasn't what I was saying at all.

[number9 3,297]

That wasn't what I was saying at all.

maybe i should have explained myself better....I was agreeing with your point that we have better wingers than abby that can take his spot at wing, that was something I failed to think about

"Abby clearly plays better at wing" was just alluding to why I believe others don't want him at center. Though i think your point was right, he's an upgrade at center over Emmerton and we have better wingers than him now anyway.

[Red Wings Addict 787]

The theory is that if Abby plays at wing then he's more free to play a crash and bang style.

[DangleDangleBeach 16]

Brunner-Datsyuk-Nyquist

Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen

Cleary-Helm-Sammy

Bertuzzi-Abdelkader-Tootoo

No space for Sheahan/Andersson unless we trade somebody - and it gets even worse if we sign Semin/Doan (which probably won't happen at this point).

And just to add, I think Brunner and Nyquist need to be used in the top 6 (Babcock basically guaranteed that Brunner will start in the top 6 anyways) in order for them to realize their full potential. If we're talking best-case scenarios, I think that Brunner could hit ~55 pts playing on that top line with Datsyuk, and Nyquist should hit at least 40-60. That's pretty decent, and an improvement over last year(if it works out).

Brunner is faster than Bertuzzi, has a better shot, and has better hands. He's just way more suited for the top six than Bert is. In terms of the most optimistic outlook on next season, I think we could see something like this up front (point totals)

Nyquist (55) - Datsyuk (80) - Brunner (60)

Filppula (72) - Zetterberg (75) - Franzen (57)

Cleary (35) - Helm (32) - Samuelsson (36)

Tootoo (32) - Abdelkader (21) - Bertuzzi (30)

That's pretty good - definitely better than last year in my eyes. A more gritty, speedy, and overall more skilled roster than last year.

not sure i necessarily love the point totals, but these are the exact lines i had. i was a little torn on not including miller since i really like what he brings. great on pk / defensively, and quietly chips in offensively... just seemed to score some pretty big goals for us so its hard not to include him though this is a business and cant always make everybody happy.

if we sign abs we have 24 roster players including miller, eaves, emmerton, mursak and if/when we sign another depth dman which seems likely then that puts us at 25 meaning we have to lose 2 of eaves, emmerton, mursak, miller which kind of sucks but like i said... this is a business. maybe KH will end up making a deal and the problem will work itself out.