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[BostonBruinsDan1924]

If Nashville matches, or doesn't, then they are in serious trouble. Nashville hasn't been turning a profite on their investment(s) and continue to lose money. I guess when do you say enough is enough and get the train back on track and start turning a profite. Wasn't it back in May 2007 that Jim Balsillie that wanted to buy the Preds, then a local financial group came in with $75M to purchase the team?

[MrBest7]

Weber wants a cup and getting paid as the elite defenseman he clearly is, so either Nashville pays him or he will become a Flyer making that team unstoppable.

Wow...Pronger and Weber on the Philly blue line.... Glad they're in the other conference. However, Nashville gets 4 first round draft picks!!!! Nashville would be foolish to match the offer sheet. Shea Weber wants out and I'd be happy to let him go for that price. It's a great deal for Weber, Philly and Nashville.

I think it was funny how many people on this board chastised me for suggesting we should offer sheet Shea Weber. He's the one guy I would have signed for $8 million per year. I had to hear how nobody ever does it... lol

[frankgrimes]

Keep in mind the owners still have succesful parent companies so they easily use the Preds as advertisment to lower the income and paying less tax fees.

The Forbes list proves one thing:

The Original 6 are still the backbone of the league and yet we aren 't getting the recognition we should. The 4 1sts are basically very high ones we are talking about 25 - 30 range here, not exactly the type of guys to replace someone like Wever.

Edited by frankgrimes, 19 July 2012 - 09:02 PM.

[brett]

too bad philly goaltending is so bad or theyd have a decent team

[GMRwings1983]

BTW, I do this all the time on NHL 12. Give a player a monster offer sheet, knowing the other team will match it. Good way to drive up other teams' caps.

Thank you Kevin Lowe for the idea.

Granted, I'm pretty sure the Flyers are dead serious about this offer, and not just being dicks.

[Matt]

Concerning the Wings' reported talk with Weber: If he did tour all of the potential suitors over the past two weeks then I'm confident that where the Red Wings fell short was with the contract offer. If Holland entertained the thought of signing Weber to an offer sheet (as in Holland made the first contact, not Weber's agent) it's frustrating to lose out on a money/term issue again. (Reportedly, anyway.)

If weber didn't want to be in Nashville, he would have played out this year, became a UFA, and left. You really think he would have signed this if he didn't want to play in Nashville? No chance he makes that kind of gamble knowing the preds have said all along they will match any offer. And what difference does it make if poile matches it today, tomorrow or next Monday? Its real easy for you to say they should hve matched it this morning when its not your 110 million your spending. Listen, the only leverage weber had, being a RFA, was to sign the Philly offer and assure himself of a monster deal before the CBA expires.

There is no way poile allows weber to walk for 4 picks that will likely be somewhere in the 20 to 30 range. There is no way he can justify that to his fanbase. Weber is the preds franchise and I repeat, this is a different ownership group that has the money. I will be more than happy to come back and eat crow if in wrong. But you'd be hardpressed to find someone else that follows this team as close as I do.

As for Darren D's comments he made earlier today saying weber doesn't want to be in Nashville, those were opinions, nothing else. He can't back those comments up with any facts or quotes. Poile may have been talking about trading weber but he was just doing his diligence to see what weber could possibly bring in.

The bottom line is this, the ball is in the preds court and there is no way in hell he doesn't match.

Saved for posterity. If Poile had the OK from ownership to match any offer -- which he boasted of in the past -- there's no reason to hesitate on matching it. None. It's $110 million no matter how you slice it, whether it's $56 million over the first four years or $28 million. Doesn't matter.

Straight from Weber's agent: "Things changed in Nashville on July 4." He. Wants. Out. He may not get it, but in that event he'll likely roll around in $27-million worth of $100 bills next season and then demand a trade next summer if he wanted to, then you're left with a PR nightmare in the form of Rick Nash 2.0.

[predmonkee]

The Preds don't have the CASH to match an offer nor can they structure an offer the way the Flyers have done. http://capgeek.com/charts_floor.php

The Preds would have to dump a ton of salary to even come close to making an offer. Weber isn't going to go through another "rebuilding" year...his rep and agent both said that today. Nashville has a week to match it or erject it...eithert way he's a Flyer in 7 days and Nashville becomes another expansion team all over again. Even with the (8) 1st round picks they are nothing more than an expansion team starting all over from ground zero. As for Polie not wanting him to trade him w/ in the Western Conference...that's a no brainer. I just might order myself a Weber jersey and wear it to a Preds game just to piss them off.

Save your cap geek garbage for somebody else. Your wrong on every level here. Poile will match and he will be a pred for a very long time. Deal with it

[MTU_Huskies963]

Yay let's cripple nashville

Edited by MTU_Huskies963, 19 July 2012 - 09:23 PM.

[frankgrimes]

Very good read Matt, thanks for posting that and I heavily agree:

IF Weber really wanted out, he would have signed an one year contract and then become UFA next summer, choosing his destination on his own conditions. So this is basically him saying, either Philadelphia or Nashville doesn't matter as long as they pay me and he will get paid even better than Suter.

[WingsAlways]

Save your cap geek garbage for somebody else. Your wrong on every level here. Poile will match and he will be a pred for a very long time. Deal with it

You being a Preds fan, what is going on that we don't know about that is making these high quality players want to leave? I mean Nashville just came off the best playoff run had in franchise history and Rinne is solid in net.

I don't get it, the fanbase there seems solid. Poile must be a real *******.

[Z Winged Dangler]

too bad philly goaltending is so bad or theyd have a decent team

Offer Hasek a 1 year deal. At 47, I'd still take him over Bryz-by-the-goal-line...he's F'n terrible.

[Matt]

IF Weber really wanted out, he would have signed an one year contract and then become UFA next summer, choosing his destination on his own conditions. So this is basically him saying, either Philadelphia or Nashville doesn't matter as long as they pay me and he will get paid even better than Suter.

I'm confident that Weber wants out. His agent has strongly insinuated such in interviews today (the "July 4th", "money not the issue", and "Flyers' history and Cup chances" comments ring the loudest). There's no way that Weber would've signed a 1-year deal with anyone just to reach UFA status next summer when the writing is all over the wall that the next CBA will kill off any of these "lifetime" deals and the mountain of guaranteed money and relative long-term stability they provide.

This was his chance to cash in and he did it. As his agent said, if Suter had re-signed in Nashville the agent likely "wouldn't be having this conversation today." Things changed, the Predators took a step back with the loss of Suter and what was likely low-ball offers that he had gotten until after July 1st when Poile had to something he had to try to match. Poile has been lowballing Weber since last summer's arbitration case -- so what really changed?

Weber looks to have grown tired of it and took advantage of the opportunity he had presented to him. He wants to go to Philadelphia.

[MrBest7]

I don't feel sorry for Nashville... their getting 4 first rounders. I predict they won't match...in fact I'm 99 percent sure they won't.

[dirtydangles]

this is exactly why I was pissed when everyone said "we'll get weber next offseason" after we missed out on suter. Everyone assumes thats Hollands plan and that it will FOR SURE happen. Just like it was sure the suter would sign here this season. We have to make a trade at this point. Its gonna have to be a guy like Yandle and its gonna cost a lot and hurt. But I would be happy to see young guys like Tatar, Sheahan get a chance filling in for the traded players as long as its not 4th line.

[Crymson]

I'm going to have a good e-laugh at the content of this thread if Nashville matches the offer.

Edited by Crymson, 19 July 2012 - 10:21 PM.

[Nhurdi]

http://phlyinhigh.bl...-breakdown.html

First four seasons (2012-'13 through 2015-'16) $1 million per year w/ 13M signing bonus
- Next two seasons (2016-'17 through 2017-'18) $4 million per w/ 8M signing bonus
- Next four seasons (2018-'19 through 2021-'22) $6 million per
- Following year (2022-'23) $3 million per
- Last three seasons (2023-'24 through 2025-'26) $1 million per


This contract is odd, the signing bonus's i don't understand, why sign for 1 mill with a 13 mill bonus? Is there a reason for that?

[Nightfall]

Our Cup victories often involved "balls to the walls signings". I don't know what you're trying to argue. And you know I'm not a Flyers fan so why waste your time?

Holland made huge moves in 2002 and we won the Cup as a result. Now he seems to be falling on his face with the salary cap.

Are you arguing that by not doing s***, we're somehow better off or better apt to win the Cup? I doubt it.

The only "balls to the wall" signing we had in 2008 was Dallas Drake. Wait, that was a huge signing? Point is that you don't need to make those kinds of signings to win a cup. In fact there are many teams that make those signings only to not do crap come playoff time. Otherwise, we would have won 4-6 more cups in the last 15 years when we made deals to get great players in here.

[dirtydangles]

http://phlyinhigh.bl...-breakdown.html

First four seasons (2012-'13 through 2015-'16) $1 million per year w/ 13M signing bonus
- Next two seasons (2016-'17 through 2017-'18) $4 million per w/ 8M signing bonus
- Next four seasons (2018-'19 through 2021-'22) $6 million per
- Following year (2022-'23) $3 million per
- Last three seasons (2023-'24 through 2025-'26) $1 million per


This contract is odd, the signing bonus's i don't understand, why sign for 1 mill with a 13 mill bonus? Is there a reason for that?

I think that money is paid at the beginning of the season regardless. so if you trade someone or they get it anyways?

[vladdy16]

Save your cap geek garbage for somebody else. Your wrong on every level here. Poile will match and he will be a pred for a very long time. Deal with it

Wow, truth hurts, eh? You're in enemy territory - please tread more respectfully.

If Poile ponies up and matches, yay for the fans. However, the Preds will have one very expensive, sulky defenseman on their hands. It's a lose/lose for Nashville.

Oh, and it's "you're."

http://phlyinhigh.bl...-breakdown.html

First four seasons (2012-'13 through 2015-'16) $1 million per year w/ 13M signing bonus
- Next two seasons (2016-'17 through 2017-'18) $4 million per w/ 8M signing bonus
- Next four seasons (2018-'19 through 2021-'22) $6 million per
- Following year (2022-'23) $3 million per
- Last three seasons (2023-'24 through 2025-'26) $1 million per


This contract is odd, the signing bonus's i don't understand, why sign for 1 mill with a 13 mill bonus? Is there a reason for that?

The signing bonus isn't subject to the possible lowering of the cap, which would affect his salary. He gets the 13 mil regardless.

[LeftWinger]

Maybe he does, but Holmgren's balls to the wall strategy hasn't won him anything but the adulation of some fans.

Holland's method may not make him a lot of fans, but its won multiple Stanley Cups.

Honestly...Holland was Asst. GM when the first Balls to the Wall move was made for Shanahan, that won us Cups...he showed his Balls by acquiring Chris Chelios...and when we were too old Holland made another Balls to the Wall move by getting Hasek, Hull & Robitaille that won us Cups....He needs another Balls to the Wall trade...Bobby Ryan. He needs to stop lowballing GM's and UFA's...player want to get paid, no longer do they take a discount to play in Detroit because it's Detroit...