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[stevkrause]

Except the CBA forbids it. If Nashville matches, they cannot trade him for one calendar year. Period, no exceptions. Hence the mountainous financial commitment they'll have to make right out of the gate.

I was unaware of this stipulation in the CBA... thanks for the info...

That definitely changes things

[F.Michael]

The only bright side of this could be that if the Preds don't match - Philly may have to move a player, or two to ensure cap space.

Braydon Coburn would look nice in a Red Wings jersey.

[13dangledangle]

Wow I didn't see this one coming. Frig eh 110 Mil? No thanks. These prices are ridonculous.

Edited by 13dangledangle, 20 July 2012 - 08:31 AM.

[RyanBarnes!]

That's another reason -- potential 'poison pills' aside -- that I makes me wonder if Nashville will match it. If they can get through the financials the first two(-ish) years, then they're home free. Have to get that blessing from ownership.

Think about the message it will send to the fans if the Preds would not match an offer for their best player. Also Poile said the Preds would match any offer. There is more at stake here than "just" money.

[Matt]

I know it was possible under the previous CBA, but I had a quick look at the current one and couldn't find it: Can't Weber still be traded to Philadelphia during this period (and only Philadelphia)? As I said, I know it was possible pre-2005 (I remember plenty of stone-age LGW day discussion of what the return for Fedorov could be from Carolina if Detroit worked out a trade after the offer sheet was signed), but not sure now. Philadelphia could solve some cap-issues there, but they've really got until the exhibition season to solve that.

Think about the message it will send to the fans if the Preds would not match an offer for their best player. Also Poile said the Preds would match any offer. There is more at stake here than "just" money.

Oh, I agree totally, but I also believe Philadelphia front-loaded the hell out of this contract to at least make the decision very difficult. Otherwise there's no point in Holmgren spinning his wheels on this whole thing.

Plus, we have to consider Weber's feelings on the whole thing: If he sees the writing on the wall and wants out, matching the offer won't change that. He'll be miserable and locked in for a year and then you've got a a Nash-2.0 PR fiasco. If Poile knows that and matches anyway.... yikes. Bad fallout from that.

[Wings_Toledo]

As someone pointed out already, Weber should have waited to become an UFA instead of signing this offer sheet. I can only assume he would get more money as a free agent and with the length of this offer sheet he'll be playing for less than he's worth for the majority of his career.

For everyone worried that the Wings now never have a shot at Weber: How many players have stayed in Philly over the last 5 years, let alone 14?

[55fan]

...And if Nashville doesn't match, the Pred's top defense pairing is... Someguy and Someotherguy.

And we whine about Holland. Imagine how we'd howl about Poile if we were Preds fans.


*Just for the record- had to look it up- if the Preds don't match/sign Weber, their D consists of Gill, Blum, Ellis, Josi, and Klein.

[13dangledangle]

...And if Nashville doesn't match, the Pred's top defense pairing is... Someguy and Someotherguy.

And we whine about Holland. Imagine how we'd howl about Poile if we were Preds fans.


*Just for the record- had to look it up- if the Preds don't match/sign Weber, their D consists of Gill, Blum, Ellis, Josi, and Klein.

Reality check! Could be worse lol.

[Matt]

As someone pointed out already, Weber should have waited to become an UFA instead of signing this offer sheet. I can only assume he would get more money as a free agent and with the length of this offer sheet he'll be playing for less than he's worth for the majority of his career.

For everyone worried that the Wings now never have a shot at Weber: How many players have stayed in Philly over the last 5 years, let alone 14?

No, it was wise for Weber to act this summer. The shot the owners put across the players' bow over the last week was message enough that there will be major changes to contract term. Weber has a guaranteed contract for 14-years and over $100-million. The way the talk is he'd be lucky to get half that if he waits until next summer -- even less if there is a 5- or 6-year cap on contracts. He needed to get in before the lockdown on contract length, and he did. Good for him, it just sucks the Red Wings weren't in on it. He's a franchise defenseman and there aren't many out there, far fewer that ever become available.

[archimet]

I agree, Weber is dumb for not agreeing to a one year deal unless he wants to be stuck in Nashville for life. Detroit should have just offered him ten Million for one year, why not?


what I was really hoping would happen was another team signed him to a silly one year deal and he wouldnt resign, and then would sign with the wings. f*** giving away picks....



our picks will be high in the draft very soon, unless a new development occurs.

My guess is that Weber agent solicited offer sheets to force Nashville's hand. After seeing the owner's proposal in the CBA they know that it's in their best interest to get a long-term deal BEFORE the new CBA. This way Weber gets his $100 million security before that option is taken off the table.

[Matt]

Besides.... It seems clear Weber wants out of Nashville, if what Dreger's sources told him was true. Either Poile wasn't offering good enough contract numbers or he just wanted to play elsewhere -- that's the only way to explain why Poile was in trade talks with the Wings, Flyers, Rangers, and Sharks. He's gonzo. I see massive issues if Weber's offer sheet is matched by Nashville and he just wants out of there.

Only way around that is that Holmgren is simply a pawn that got played in this game and Weber used the Flyers as a means to force Poile's hand to get a contract he wanted out of Nashville. But you'd think Holmgren would be smarter than that, right?

[russianswede919293]

...And if Nashville doesn't match, the Pred's top defense pairing is... Someguy and Someotherguy.

And we whine about Holland. Imagine how we'd howl about Poile if we were Preds fans.


*Just for the record- had to look it up- if the Preds don't match/sign Weber, their D consists of Gill, Blum, Ellis, Josi, and Klein.

Ellis and Josi are solid young D-Men, Klein is a good Top 4 Penalty Killer as is Gill. other than their top pair problem (Which ours is just as bad) they have a pretty solid Defense. Better than ours possibly.

[xtrememachine1]

Could Nashville still trade his rights? Lets say Nashville trades him to the Rangers and get a bunch of players or whatever in return. NYR then has the ability to match that deal and Weber belongs to them. Is that a possibility or is their some rule preventing that from happening? I don't know. If that is the case, Nashville may wait 6 days to try and swing a deal before matching or not.

[Matt]

Could Nashville still trade his rights? Lets say Nashville trades him to the Rangers and get a bunch of players or whatever in return. NYR then has the ability to match that deal and Weber belongs to them. Is that a possibility or is their some rule preventing that from happening? I don't know. If that is the case, Nashville may wait 6 days to try and swing a deal before matching or not.

No. When a player signs an offer sheet they can do only one of two things: play for his original team once the offer is matched, or the original club refuses to match and he goes to the team that signed him to the offer sheet.

Two destinations for Weber, and two only: Nashville. Philadelphia. That's it.

Under the previous CBA (at least), the original team could match, they could refuse and get compensatory draft picks relative to the contract, or the two clubs could work out a trade during the 7-day "grace" period. That trade option between the Predators/Flyers is something I'm not sure is possible or not under the new CBA.

[RyanBarnes!]

I know it was possible under the previous CBA, but I had a quick look at the current one and couldn't find it: Can't Weber still be traded to Philadelphia during this period (and only Philadelphia)? As I said, I know it was possible pre-2005 (I remember plenty of stone-age LGW day discussion of what the return for Fedorov could be from Carolina if Detroit worked out a trade after the offer sheet was signed), but not sure now. Philadelphia could solve some cap-issues there, but they've really got until the exhibition season to solve that.

At least it is mentioned in this article...

Weber agrees to offer sheet

"Per the CBA, if the Preds match Weber, they can't trade him for an entire year. But they could still trade with the Flyers, a team who has the extra top 6 forwards they need."

Oh, I agree totally, but I also believe Philadelphia front-loaded the hell out of this contract to at least make the decision very difficult. Otherwise there's no point in Holmgren spinning his wheels on this whole thing.

Plus, we have to consider Weber's feelings on the whole thing: If he sees the writing on the wall and wants out, matching the offer won't change that. He'll be miserable and locked in for a year and then you've got a a Nash-2.0 PR fiasco. If Poile knows that and matches anyway.... yikes. Bad fallout from that.

Maybe Holmgren decided to take advantage of this rule and loose the competition? Maybe Poile and Holmgren are in on this together somehow?

[Matt]

Good point here by Frank Serevalli (@DNFlyers):

https://twitter.com/...945730584559617

Spending $26M in one calendar yr, NSH would be forking over 16% of entire franchise net worth ($163M in '11 accd to Forbes) to match offer

"Per the CBA, if the Preds match Weber, they can't trade him for an entire year. But they could still trade with the Flyers, a team who has the extra top 6 forwards they need."

Maybe Holmgren decided to take advantage of this rule and loose the competition? Maybe Poile and Holmgren are in on this together somehow?

Good, that's what I thought. With this out there I think it becomes increasingly clear that the offer sheet was meant to force Poile's hand to complete a trade. It's two-fold for Holmgren: He's fine with sacrificing the draft picks if need be, but he's got the assets to get a trade done, too. If Poile was riding the fence on what he wanted to do and dragging it out it's a genius move by Holmgren. Puts the screws to Poile to get it done and a strong potential to land a franchise defenseman that has Norris trophies in his future.

[Wings_Toledo]

No, it was wise for Weber to act this summer. The shot the owners put across the players' bow over the last week was message enough that there will be major changes to contract term. Weber has a guaranteed contract for 14-years and over $100-million. The way the talk is he'd be lucky to get half that if he waits until next summer -- even less if there is a 5- or 6-year cap on contracts. He needed to get in before the lockdown on contract length, and he did. Good for him, it just sucks the Red Wings weren't in on it. He's a franchise defenseman and there aren't many out there, far fewer that ever become available.

True, I forgot about the proposal from the owners for the new CBA. I guess from a player's perspective I was just thinking that I'd rather be paid what I'm worth (or more) for a shorter term than be stuck with a contract that will be undervalued in the future. The new cap limit and possible rollbacks next Summer could kill that idea anyway, though and I suppose he wanted the security.

[ShanahanMan]

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper#Preds Weber offer sheet from #Flyers. 1st 4 yrs 1M salary+13M sb; yrs 5-6 4M sal+ 8Msb; yrs 7-10 6M sal; year 11 3M sal;

Yes, you read that right. 14M A YEAR FOR THE FIRST 4 YEARS....

My god, this actually could be a record...

Edited by ShanahanMan, 19 July 2012 - 08:52 AM.

[RedWingsRox]

If Nashville matches, does Weber really want to play for them for the next 14 years? Or will he be a disgruntled Nash?

If Weber leaves, this might just plunge Nashville into one of the welfare teams.

[Matt]

Weber will be a Flyer, based on Kypreos's figures posted on Twitter. Weber will earn $56 million over the next four years. WOW.