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#21 redwingfan19

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:46 AM

only flyer d man i'd be interested in is meszaros
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:47 AM

Please Holland NO Lilja...I haven't forgiven him yet for the 2009 giveaway...


What 2009 giveaway? You're thinking of "Mr. Game 7" (Brad Stuart)

I want Simmonds or Rinaldo on the team. Would make us tougher to play against.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:00 PM

They can still get cap relief from LTIR. They did just that for two years with Laperriere. I assume they'll do it for 5 with Pronger if he can't play again. Loopholes.

It's probably possible, but the Flyers would have to continuing paying him for the next 5 years if he's kept on the active roster.

I fully expect Nashville to match though, so it probably doens't matter.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:08 PM

Still out from post-concussion, from the reports I've read. I think they're using the cap relief from his LTIR status in the Weber signing.


They can still get cap relief from LTIR. They did just that for two years with Laperriere. I assume they'll do it for 5 with Pronger if he can't play again. Loopholes.


Interesting tidbit about the use of LTIR from the CBA.

CBA Article 50.10 section D (iii)

The total replacement player salary and bonuses for a player or players that have replaced an unfit-to-play player may not in the aggregate exceed the amount of the player salary and bonuses of the unfit-to-play player who the club is replacing


I may be interpreting this wrong but it seems the Flyers can't use the cap space created by putting Pronger on LTIR to sign a player who makes more money than him.

They may be forced now to count his caphit against their cap making them more likely to move someone.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:15 PM

Watch holmgren flip a dman and a fwd for 1st rounders. This guy is good.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:20 PM

What 2009 giveaway? You're thinking of "Mr. Game 7" (Brad Stuart)

I want Simmonds or Rinaldo on the team. Would make us tougher to play against.

I think he meant the 2007 giveaway.

Simmonds is really developing into a legitimate power forward. We'd have to give up another top 6 forward for him. I think Philly would be more likely to trade Hartnell, however.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:54 PM

I think he meant the 2007 giveaway.

Simmonds is really developing into a legitimate power forward. We'd have to give up another top 6 forward for him. I think Philly would be more likely to trade Hartnell, however.

I'd take Hartnell in a heartbeat if he'd re-sign with the Wings right away cause he's UFA next summer. Or get Holmgren to negotiate a contract with Hartnell for the sole purpose of a sign and trade to the Wings so the deal is secure on this end.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:55 PM

What 2009 giveaway? You're thinking of "Mr. Game 7" (Brad Stuart)

I want Simmonds or Rinaldo on the team. Would make us tougher to play against.

Simmonds? Yes please.

I was bummed when LA traded him, and it wasn't to Detroit.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:56 PM

Interesting tidbit about the use of LTIR from the CBA.

CBA Article 50.10 section D (iii)


I may be interpreting this wrong but it seems the Flyers can't use the cap space created by putting Pronger on LTIR to sign a player who makes more money than him.

They may be forced now to count his caphit against their cap making them more likely to move someone.


The difficult word there is "replacing"... I have no idea what that means in the grand scheme of things?

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:58 PM

Watch holmgren flip a dman and a fwd for 1st rounders. This guy is good.


The guy is agressive...Not sure how much success he's achieved with all his dealing though. They Flyers haven't exactly been a pillar of success during his tenure as GM.

When you're looking to trade and are currently above the salary cap the returns you get offered aren't going to be market value. Every GM in the league will know he has no choice but to accept their offer or use waivers, losing players for nothing at all.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:59 PM

I'd take Hartnell in a heartbeat if he'd re-sign with the Wings right away cause he's UFA next summer. Or get Holmgren to negotiate a contract with Hartnell for the sole purpose of a sign and trade to the Wings so the deal is secure on this end.

He always goes hard to the net, he's physical and scrappy, and capable of scoring 30+ goals/year. He's become an extremely well-rounded player. You can't say that about many players.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:00 PM

That said, if any kind of amnesty buyout is agreed upon with the new CBA, I'd expect the Flyers to buy out Pronger for sure.


Someone was asking me what the Flyers do if the cap drops, and this is what came to mind immediately. I guess the 35+ deals don't apply if it's part of an amnesty buyout.

Edit: Also, I'd take either Timonen or Mezsaros from Philly for a prospect/picks package. I wouldn't want Corburn or Grossmann (because of the longer term). Timonen for a year would be pretty cool... he's a very solid puck mover and great shot blocker. He might be old, but he'd be a good fit and could come relatively cheap. Mezsaros is only 26 and has two years left at 2 million. He seems to be a little inconsistent, but if he maintained a top 4 spot, he could be a solid pick-up.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:03 PM

Someone was asking me what the Flyers do if the cap drops, and this is what came to mind immediately. I guess the 35+ deals don't apply if it's part of an amnesty buyout.


The worst bit about that contract for Philly, is that they could well be doing it again. Granted Weber is 27 not 35+ but they'll still be paying him till he's 41. Same with Minny paying two guys till they're 40. If the same thing happens they'll be sitting there thinking "Crap we could be in trouble here..."

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:09 PM

He always goes hard to the net, he's physical and scrappy, and capable of scoring 30+ goals/year. He's become an extremely well-rounded player. You can't say that about many players.

On top of that he's a hilarious dude and would be great in the locker room. It's always fun having a class clown that improves morale during s*** skids.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:14 PM

They won't be moving forwards, it will be a D-man fersure, they are overly deep there now. And it will have to be more than Lilja....they have to clear more than a million and Lilja doesn't make a million.

The only D-man on that team without an NTC is Mezaros.....And I can definately see him in a wings jersey. Holmgren and Holland have been good dancing partners in the past and it seems to be a perfect fit for a trade right now. The Czech movement is beginning....

Edit: unfortunately for us I expect NSH to match

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:14 PM

The worst bit about that contract for Philly, is that they could well be doing it again. Granted Weber is 27 not 35+ but they'll still be paying him till he's 41. Same with Minny paying two guys till they're 40. If the same thing happens they'll be sitting there thinking "Crap we could be in trouble here..."


Much like Detroit could be thinking with Mule and Z (depending on consistency and health issues).

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:14 PM

On top of that he's a hilarious dude and would be great in the locker room. It's always fun having a class clown that improves morale during s*** skids.

Agreed. If he doesn't re-sign with Philadelphia, he'll be one of my first choices, as far as top 6 forwards go. I used to hate him. I don't know what happened, but I like him now :lol:
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:16 PM

Agreed. If he doesn't re-sign with Philadelphia, he'll be one of my first choices, as far as top 6 forwards go. I used to hate him. I don't know what happened, but I like him now :lol:

He moved to the Eastern conference? :P

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:18 PM

He moved to the Eastern conference? :P

That seems logical :lol:

Maybe I'll like Steve Ott now, too :P
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 02:03 PM

Having less than a million is pretty scary......someone gets hurt through the year and they are kinda screwed. I imagine they wont want to be up against the wall. I think they will send someone out to give themselves some breathing space. Timonen does have a NMC as does Coburn BUT its not like the players would accept a trade Columbus. Most guys, knowing their top dog status is dwindling in Philly would waive it to play with the Wings.

a million is actually more than sufficient for injury replacements. Sure, most teams would like more than that for security but until last year a lot of teams carried a million or less in previous seasons.

Is Pronger even fit to play? I honestly don't know but last I heard he may be done for his career due to post concussion symptoms.

Still out from post-concussion, from the reports I've read. I think they're using the cap relief from his LTIR status in the Weber signing.

Pronger's LTIR relief has no affect on the Weber deal.

Interesting tidbit about the use of LTIR from the CBA.

CBA Article 50.10 section D (iii)


I may be interpreting this wrong but it seems the Flyers can't use the cap space created by putting Pronger on LTIR to sign a player who makes more money than him.

They may be forced now to count his caphit against their cap making them more likely to move someone.


LTIR cap relief constraint is only for during the season. It has nothing to do with the Weber deal. Plus, Pronger is all but done. He also will not officially retire until the duration of his contract is up. The Flyers will gladly pay him the money so they can have the cap space. Pronger's money will not affect their cap hit.

Also, the Flyers are cap compliant as of today WITH Pronger's money on the books. Once they put Pronger on LTIR then they have plenty of room to re-sign Voracek, drop Lilja and be done.

This Weber deal does NOT ensure the Flyers move a defenseman. I'm not saying they won't do it but they definitely do not have to do it.

Also, for those thinking PHI is going to be out of the Ryan sweepstakes I think you're mistaken. Once Pronger is on LTIR PHi could use one of the d-men everyone is talking about and some of the depth at forward as pieces to get Ryan.
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