stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 there is a zero percent chance that bouwmeester is traded for scraps like kindl, mursak, and a first... feaster is a pretty bad gm, but not that bad. How is that scraps? Kindl is a 1st rd pick, that still has a LOT of upside and is only 25, add that to a legit 4th liner for depth and another draft pick?! also the fact that Calgary wants the cap space cleared and it adds up... It'd be a win-win deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobbles 252 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 How is that scraps? Kindl is a 1st rd pick, that still has a LOT of upside and is only 25, add that to a legit 4th liner for depth and another draft pick?! also the fact that Calgary wants the cap space cleared and it adds up... It'd be a win-win deal regardless of his statistics last season, bouwmeester has spent 5+ years as a top pairing defenseman. why would calgary trade him for a defensemen with 17 career points, a forward with 4 career points, and a 1st round pick that most likely wont be in the top half of the round? dont get me wrong, as a wings fan i love kindl and mursak and have been optimistic about them for years. but kindl was a first round pick 7 years ago. he doesnt exactly hold much weight as a 'prospect.' kindl was very underwhelming in grand rapids including a -34 season. while i know thats often an overused stat, the reason i find it important is that he was by far the worst on the team. he put up only decent offensive numbers in grand rapids. he showed little in his first half season with the wings. i do feel he had a good year this year with 13 points and looked good in games, but not enough to warrant being sought after in a trade for a top pairing guy. for mursak, he put up 86 points in 184 games in grand rapids. once again, not that great. he has 4 points in 44 nhl games. how are either of those guys assets that calgary would want back? they might as well trade him for picks only or for guys that are young enough to still turn out better. mursak is 24 and kindl is 25. not really prime candidates to be prospects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 25, 2012 Kindl is a 1st rd pick, that still has a LOT of upside You and others only refer to him this way when you've suggested him in a trade proposal. You know, there's a reason why you feel he's expendable... 2 dobbles and Greatness=PavelDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashyG 1,799 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 As overpaid as Bouwmeester is, If Kindl is the centerpiece of a deal for him the Wings will likely be adding a 1st round pick to the deal and even then Calgary may ask for more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 You and others only refer to him this way when you've suggested him in a trade proposal. You know, there's a reason why you feel he's expendable... I think he may get more of an opportunity in Calgary. He's not a first pairing defenseman, but it's not like he isn't capable of playing at the NHL level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 You and others only refer to him this way when you've suggested him in a trade proposal. You know, there's a reason why you feel he's expendable... You have to give to get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) regardless of his statistics last season, bouwmeester has spent 5+ years as a top pairing defenseman. why would calgary trade him for a defensemen with 17 career points, a forward with 4 career points, and a 1st round pick that most likely wont be in the top half of the round? dont get me wrong, as a wings fan i love kindl and mursak and have been optimistic about them for years. but kindl was a first round pick 7 years ago. he doesnt exactly hold much weight as a 'prospect.' kindl was very underwhelming in grand rapids including a -34 season. while i know thats often an overused stat, the reason i find it important is that he was by far the worst on the team. he put up only decent offensive numbers in grand rapids. he showed little in his first half season with the wings. i do feel he had a good year this year with 13 points and looked good in games, but not enough to warrant being sought after in a trade for a top pairing guy. for mursak, he put up 86 points in 184 games in grand rapids. once again, not that great. he has 4 points in 44 nhl games. how are either of those guys assets that calgary would want back? they might as well trade him for picks only or for guys that are young enough to still turn out better. mursak is 24 and kindl is 25. not really prime candidates to be prospects. I never said Mursak, but I still feel he'd be a reasonable piece... Defensemen generally don't develop as fast either, and Kindl made great strides each year in GR (look at his +/- and how it improved considerably each year), also, as I already touched on, I feel Kindl's style better fits in Calgary's system and JBo's style here... Win-win Picks/prospects/4th liner piece, feel free to adjust as you like... Edited July 25, 2012 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 25, 2012 I never said Mursak, but I still feel he'd be a reasonable piece... Defensemen generally don't develop as fast either, and Kindl made great strides each yeast in GR (look at his +/- and how it improved considerably each year), also, as I already touched on, I feel Kindl's style better fits in Calgary's system and JBo's style here... Win-win Picks/prospects/4th liner piece, feel free to adjust as you like... What, exactly, is Kindl's style, and why would it fit well in Calgary? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 What, exactly, is Kindl's style, and why would it fit well in Calgary? I know you're just being your usual, abrasive, argumentative self, and are only asking this for the sake of dredging up more content to argue about, but I'll play. Wide open, run and gun style - more opportunities to pinch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 Bouwmeester has a no-trade clause right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 25, 2012 I know you're just being your usual, abrasive, argumentative self, and are only asking this for the sake of dredging up more content to argue about, but I'll play. No, I asked it because you said that Kindl had a defined style and I was curious what you felt that style was. Wide open, run and gun style - more opportunities to pinch. And what makes you think that this would fit in well with the Flames' system? The reality of Kindl is that he's below average at offense, average at defense, and does not use his size. He would be a #6 defenseman on most teams in the league. He does not have "a ton of upside," as you have said. If he did, then he'd have continued developing with the Wings. As things stand, he has had difficulty cracking the lineup on a regular basis, and he has neither impressed nor improved in any substantial manner over the past three seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted July 25, 2012 Kindl is like the 1 chick left at the end of the bar who will not go home. No matter how much you look at her, she will always look the same. Whiskey, Rye, Rum, Vodka, it doesn't matter. Kindl will never get any better than he is now. Which is not very good. I know some of you like him but I don't. He reminds me of Yan Golubovsky and Max Kuznetsov. They never improve no matter how much you play them and they have no redeeming qualities. Just like the chick at the end of the bar at 2 AM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 Bouwmeester has a no-trade clause right? Oui; one of eleven players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 I know you're just being your usual, abrasive, argumentative self, and are only asking this for the sake of dredging up more content to argue about, but I'll play. Wide open, run and gun style - more opportunities to pinch. No, I asked it because you said that Kindl had a defined style and I was curious what you felt that style was. And what makes you think that this would fit in well with the Flames' system? The reality of Kindl is that he's below average at offense, average at defense, and does not use his size. He would be a #6 defenseman on most teams in the league. He does not have "a ton of upside," as you have said. If he did, then he'd have continued developing with the Wings. As things stand, he has had difficulty cracking the lineup on a regular basis, and he has neither impressed nor improved in any substantial manner over the past three seasons. You just proved stevekrause was exactly right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashyG 1,799 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 If Quincey cost us a 1st rounder - I'm certain Bouwmeester will cost much - much more. The only way we get him cheap is if Feaster is desperate in moving him for cap space; I'm not so sure if he's that desperate. I agree completely, and I'm not sure he's worth much more than Quincey considering their production over the past few seasons. When you consider he'd also be the highest paid player on the team I think I'd rather pass and look for other options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StormJH1 231 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 I agree completely, and I'm not sure he's worth much more than Quincey considering their production over the past few seasons. When you consider he'd also be the highest paid player on the team I think I'd rather pass and look for other options. This. He got Lidstrom-like playing time and put up Kyle Quincey numbers. Actually, Quincey was more productive than him at LA and COL. After sleeping on this, I have little interest. Especially if we had to give up any of the top 4 trade assets normally thrown around (Flip, Franzen, Nyquist, Smith) 1 pucktividi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted July 25, 2012 I mean yeah if Bouwmeester could come cheap yeah for sure, but he won't. Feaster will be asking a lot in return for Bouwmeester. Just found this article no facts just speculation of course. http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/07/24/bouwmeesters-stock-on-the-rise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SetecX 139 Report post Posted July 30, 2012 lol http://nhlfanchat.com/articles/red-wings-offer-the-flames-filppula-for-bouwmeester--2#.UBbQGgejHpQ.facebook Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 30, 2012 lol http://nhlfanchat.com/articles/red-wings-offer-the-flames-filppula-for-bouwmeester--2#.UBbQGgejHpQ.facebook That would be one of the worst trades in NHL history... looks like another Eklund site too... 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sputman 1,268 Report post Posted July 30, 2012 seems like a good guy, but if people don't think ericsson uses his size enough, this guy will be burned to the ground here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 30, 2012 seems like a good guy, but if people don't think ericsson uses his size enough, this guy will be burned to the ground here. I'm one of the few here that like JBo, but that would be a MASSIVE over payment, Flip straight up would be too much for him... Let alone E, who, regardless of the flak he takes on here, was very good last year and makes a noticable difference on our PK 2 Motown4013 and sputman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted July 30, 2012 I'm one of the few here that like JBo, but that would be a MASSIVE over payment, Flip straight up would be too much for him... Let alone E, who, regardless of the flak he takes on here, was very good last year and makes a noticable difference on our PK I think Jbow would compliment Kronwall nicely, but if we are going to take on that salary the deal better favor us. I have a hard time letting Filpulla go in a deal for Jbow. 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sputman 1,268 Report post Posted July 30, 2012 I'm one of the few here that like JBo, but that would be a MASSIVE over payment, Flip straight up would be too much for him... Let alone E, who, regardless of the flak he takes on here, was very good last year and makes a noticable difference on our PK I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought E was good last year. 1 Motown4013 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 31, 2012 I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought E was good last year. nah, there's a few of us. 1 1980s24 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pucktividi 472 Report post Posted July 31, 2012 This. He got Lidstrom-like playing time and put up Kyle Quincey numbers. Actually, Quincey was more productive than him at LA and COL. This...and gets Lids-like $$$ as well. I'd rather want to see Ken trying to trade for Bogosian.He's young,big,gritty,shots right handed and is relatively cheap. 1 Dominator2005 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites