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#221 F.Michael

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:12 AM

I would love to move Franzen, but only if the return is worth-while. Bouwmeester is not worth-while. He defense leaves a lot to be desired, and his offense has dropped off to insignificant totals.

Compare him to a bigger Ian White, with a much bigger price tag, in this case in both cap and assets.

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Look at the team Bouwmeester plays on, and who his D partners have been over the years while a Flame.

By no means he's a Norris Trophy candidate, but he does possess the overall skill needed to play in our system (prime example - look how ineffective Commodore was for us last season).

Right now we have massive holes on defense; what's left via UFA are more or less players who are getting up there in years, or guys who are often on IR...Outta the UFA's - only Colaiacovo, and Rozsival interest me, and chances are 1 of those 2 will get signed by Philly.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:19 AM

Look at the team Bouwmeester plays on, and who his D partners have been over the years while a Flame.

By no means he's a Norris Trophy candidate, but he does possess the overall skill needed to play in our system (prime example - look how ineffective Commodore was for us last season).

Right now we have massive holes on defense; what's left via UFA are more or less players who are getting up there in years, or guys who are often on IR...Outta the UFA's - only Colaiacovo, and Rozsival interest me, and chances are 1 of those 2 will get signed by Philly.


... Commodore never got a fair shake last year from what I seen. I don't think it's fair to say he did or did not fit in when he didn't get a great opportunity to do so.
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:22 AM

Look at the team Bouwmeester plays on, and who his D partners have been over the years while a Flame.


Ian White has spent the majority of his career with Toronto, then Calgary, then Carolina, before finally playing 23 games with SJ and 77 with Detroit. Bouwmeester to me is another player we look at and say, "but playing here with better partners could provide a spark!". Who is he supposed to play with to improve his numbers?

I think his numbers with remain exactly the same, and he'll be crucified every game for getting burned defensively. The defense is in transition and he isn't the cure, just an expensive scapegoat. We'd be doing Calgary a huge favor, not matter who we give up, and with the cap likely going down, we could be in a lot of trouble for the next two years instead of staying afloat with cap-space.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:25 AM

I'd totally be down for this trade as long as Franzen, Fil, Nyquist and our top prospects stay put. If its like 2 bottom sixers and a pick i will be happy.

I will say that all the CGY fans on hfboards think they will get Fil+ lol.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:43 AM

three things i think are important to remember:

philly is most likely very desperate for a defenseman and could be driving the price up making any deal harder to swallow.

the flames don't have to trade bouwmeester. sure they might have some problems if the cap goes down, but they could keep bouwmeester all season and be just fine. it seems like a lot of our fans think that calgary needs to do a salary dump and we are doing them a favor and can just give them scraps back.

the flames have always been weak at center. that would mean filppula would have to be the prime piece they are looking to get back. i believe they even plan on trying cammalleri at center since they dont have any top 6 centers to speak of. i think we should keep that in mind as we throw around proposals as i think they would have little use for guys like franzen, cleary, mursak, etc.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:49 AM

... Commodore never got a fair shake last year from what I seen. I don't think it's fair to say he did or did not fit in when he didn't get a great opportunity to do so.

I agree to a certain extent, but overall I don't think Commodore has the puck moving abilities that the Dmen must have in order to be effective while playing in Detroit...JBo does have that ability.

Ian White has spent the majority of his career with Toronto, then Calgary, then Carolina, before finally playing 23 games with SJ and 77 with Detroit. Bouwmeester to me is another player we look at and say, "but playing here with better partners could provide a spark!". Who is he supposed to play with to improve his numbers?

I think his numbers with remain exactly the same, and he'll be crucified every game for getting burned defensively. The defense is in transition and he isn't the cure, just an expensive scapegoat. We'd be doing Calgary a huge favor, not matter who we give up, and with the cap likely going down, we could be in a lot of trouble for the next two years instead of staying afloat with cap-space.

I think it's pretty safe to say the Red Wings as a whole is a better team than the Flames...Even though the Wings are on a slide - I still feel we have a good chance at making the playoffs (albeit 6th thru 8th seed)...As for the Flames - even with Huddles - will be hitting the links come spring - with, or without JBo.

That said - I feel JBo could excel in an atmosphere like Detroit where skill is still emphasized over physicality.

three things i think are important to remember:

philly is most likely very desperate for a defenseman and could be driving the price up making any deal harder to swallow.

the flames don't have to trade bouwmeester. sure they might have some problems if the cap goes down, but they could keep bouwmeester all season and be just fine. it seems like a lot of our fans think that calgary needs to do a salary dump and we are doing them a favor and can just give them scraps back.

the flames have always been weak at center. that would mean filppula would have to be the prime piece they are looking to get back. i believe they even plan on trying cammalleri at center since they dont have any top 6 centers to speak of. i think we should keep that in mind as we throw around proposals as i think they would have little use for guys like franzen, cleary, mursak, etc.

And truth be told - is Filppula gonna continue to be a 60 plus pts guy from now on, or will he return to his previous 35 to 40 pts per season?

I'm thinking the latter.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:53 AM

three things i think are important to remember:

philly is most likely very desperate for a defenseman and could be driving the price up making any deal harder to swallow.

the flames don't have to trade bouwmeester. sure they might have some problems if the cap goes down, but they could keep bouwmeester all season and be just fine. it seems like a lot of our fans think that calgary needs to do a salary dump and we are doing them a favor and can just give them scraps back.

the flames have always been weak at center. that would mean filppula would have to be the prime piece they are looking to get back. i believe they even plan on trying cammalleri at center since they dont have any top 6 centers to speak of. i think we should keep that in mind as we throw around proposals as i think they would have little use for guys like franzen, cleary, mursak, etc.

The other thing of note is that we don't exactly NEED JBow. There are other defensemen that fit better. AKA right handed defensemen that their team doesn't necessarily need to trade either. We aren't going to do Calgary a favour and drop flip as overpayment just because they need a center. If we don't make good trading partners and neither team wants to budge then lets move on and let Philly overpay. Jbow isn't a sure thing so no use giving fil up.

pretty sure Philly doesn't have any tradeable centers available for JBo either. They wouldn't move Couts Schenn or Giroux for Weber so they won't for JBo and you can bet Briere stays with his NTC and his family situation. They will offer Voracek and a pick likely.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 10:30 AM

I am non-plussed about us acquiring JBo. I think we need a defensive minded d-man more than an offensive. If it means bolstering Calgary's offense, I'm even less enthused... and if Philly is driving up the pricetag forget it.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 10:39 AM

If a reasonable trade is available Id be all for getting Boumeester - but even if we do get him, our defence is still defensivley weak and pretty easy to play against. I feel a Volchenkov/Regehr type guy is more important to us now - especially if we can anchor them with Smith to give him more freedom to get into the play.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 10:54 AM

I think Cleary, emmerton, 2nd might get it done.


I think that Jay Feaster would send Holland a letter bomb for making such an insulting offer.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 11:00 AM

I would love to move Franzen, but only if the return is worth-while. Bouwmeester is not worth-while. He defense leaves a lot to be desired, and his offense has dropped off to insignificant totals.

Compare him to a bigger Ian White, with a much bigger price tag, in this case in both cap and assets.

Bouwmeester: 717GP 65G 220A 285P -54 .397PPG

White: 478GP 43G 132A 175P +41 .366PPG

NO THANKS.


Well said.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:45 PM

I have mixed feelings on this one while we do need another D-man we don't need someone with his salary.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:52 PM

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:01 PM

damn if TSN is reporting it. It's usually legit. Let's hope Kenny isn't offering much : /

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:17 PM

if he moves fil im gonna be so pissed. we NEED fil for the next transition phase.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:27 PM

Bouwmeester has alot of skill that could very well flourish in Detroit.

He's overpaid - however there's only 2 years left on his contract.

Who knows what it would cost to get him - however if it's an even swap for a declining Franzen - then I'm all for it!

I fail to see how swapping Bouwmeester for Franzen would be a win for Detroit. The amount of goals and assists we lose from Franzen won't be made up for in better defense from Bouwmeester. Calgary said it won't be a heads up trade. We would have to trade a prospect as well, which in my mind, puts a kibosh on the whole idea.
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:30 PM

I fail to see how swapping Bouwmeester for Franzen would be a win for Detroit. The amount of goals and assists we lose from Franzen won't be made up for in better defense from Bouwmeester. Calgary said it won't be a heads up trade. We would have to trade a prospect as well, which in my mind, puts a kibosh on the whole idea.

Ya i'd rather sign a vet 7th this year and if we don't do as well in the standings we can draft some more quality prospects in the early rounds. Next year we can explore free agency and use our even deeper prospect pool as trade bait. People forget that Kindl has at least bottom pair potential at least. We need the current prospects we have developed as we are getting on the old side in our core.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:39 PM

there must really be some legs to what savage reported as tsn took is and ran with it. even put it on their front page.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:49 PM

Please God, not for a top 6 player....

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:53 PM

If Kenny gives up Filppula or Franzen or Nyquist-Plus for Bouwmeester and his contract, this off-season moves from disappointing to disastrous.





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