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#101 brett

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:05 PM

Monty has a big contract though and still a few years left... don't know if that's worth it... I'd rather sign Vandermeer or Jurcina (preferably Vandermeer) as our 6/7


There's no way Fil would be traded for this - as I said earlier, JBo could be had for a relatively low price, that's part of the intrigue of getting him... I wouldn't be surprised at all if he could be had for Kindl, Emmerton and a pick...


I would take that trade.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:16 PM

*Jim Vandermeer-UFA
*Scott Hannan-UFA
*John Erskine- 7th/8th defenseman in Washington. With young D like Orlov rising up in the ranks, I feel like if we came knocking at the door for a trade, they'd deal him for a prospect or a pick.
*Steve Montador- Its been reported numerous times that Chicago has more than enough depth on D and Montador seems to be the odd man out. Again, I think a prospect or a pick can get a deal done.


Of those 4, only one plays on the right side, which is where we lack players. Montador would be a good fit, but I'm not sure I want to trade for a #6 or #7 defenceman.

Jurcina has never really impressed me. He'll throw a big hit once in a while but he is not consistently physical.


Jurcina ranked 20th in the league for hits by a defenceman and he only played 65 games. He's also a great shot blocker and he kills penalties. I actually think he'd be the best fit to replace Stuart, if it weren't for his terrible skating.

The fact that he's 6'4 and 253lbs doesn't hurt either.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:19 PM

there is a zero percent chance that bouwmeester is traded for scraps like kindl, mursak, and a first... feaster is a pretty bad gm, but not that bad.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:39 PM

there is a zero percent chance that bouwmeester is traded for scraps like kindl, mursak, and a first... feaster is a pretty bad gm, but not that bad.

How is that scraps? Kindl is a 1st rd pick, that still has a LOT of upside and is only 25, add that to a legit 4th liner for depth and another draft pick?! also the fact that Calgary wants the cap space cleared and it adds up... It'd be a win-win deal

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:13 PM

How is that scraps? Kindl is a 1st rd pick, that still has a LOT of upside and is only 25, add that to a legit 4th liner for depth and another draft pick?! also the fact that Calgary wants the cap space cleared and it adds up... It'd be a win-win deal


regardless of his statistics last season, bouwmeester has spent 5+ years as a top pairing defenseman. why would calgary trade him for a defensemen with 17 career points, a forward with 4 career points, and a 1st round pick that most likely wont be in the top half of the round?

dont get me wrong, as a wings fan i love kindl and mursak and have been optimistic about them for years. but kindl was a first round pick 7 years ago. he doesnt exactly hold much weight as a 'prospect.' kindl was very underwhelming in grand rapids including a -34 season. while i know thats often an overused stat, the reason i find it important is that he was by far the worst on the team. he put up only decent offensive numbers in grand rapids. he showed little in his first half season with the wings. i do feel he had a good year this year with 13 points and looked good in games, but not enough to warrant being sought after in a trade for a top pairing guy. for mursak, he put up 86 points in 184 games in grand rapids. once again, not that great. he has 4 points in 44 nhl games.

how are either of those guys assets that calgary would want back? they might as well trade him for picks only or for guys that are young enough to still turn out better. mursak is 24 and kindl is 25. not really prime candidates to be prospects.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:29 PM

Kindl is a 1st rd pick, that still has a LOT of upside


You and others only refer to him this way when you've suggested him in a trade proposal. You know, there's a reason why you feel he's expendable...

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:30 PM

As overpaid as Bouwmeester is, If Kindl is the centerpiece of a deal for him the Wings will likely be adding a 1st round pick to the deal and even then Calgary may ask for more.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:32 PM

You and others only refer to him this way when you've suggested him in a trade proposal. You know, there's a reason why you feel he's expendable...

I think he may get more of an opportunity in Calgary. He's not a first pairing defenseman, but it's not like he isn't capable of playing at the NHL level.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:15 PM

You and others only refer to him this way when you've suggested him in a trade proposal. You know, there's a reason why you feel he's expendable...

You have to give to get.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:20 PM

regardless of his statistics last season, bouwmeester has spent 5+ years as a top pairing defenseman. why would calgary trade him for a defensemen with 17 career points, a forward with 4 career points, and a 1st round pick that most likely wont be in the top half of the round?

dont get me wrong, as a wings fan i love kindl and mursak and have been optimistic about them for years. but kindl was a first round pick 7 years ago. he doesnt exactly hold much weight as a 'prospect.' kindl was very underwhelming in grand rapids including a -34 season. while i know thats often an overused stat, the reason i find it important is that he was by far the worst on the team. he put up only decent offensive numbers in grand rapids. he showed little in his first half season with the wings. i do feel he had a good year this year with 13 points and looked good in games, but not enough to warrant being sought after in a trade for a top pairing guy. for mursak, he put up 86 points in 184 games in grand rapids. once again, not that great. he has 4 points in 44 nhl games.

how are either of those guys assets that calgary would want back? they might as well trade him for picks only or for guys that are young enough to still turn out better. mursak is 24 and kindl is 25. not really prime candidates to be prospects.

I never said Mursak, but I still feel he'd be a reasonable piece... Defensemen generally don't develop as fast either, and Kindl made great strides each year in GR (look at his +/- and how it improved considerably each year), also, as I already touched on, I feel Kindl's style better fits in Calgary's system and JBo's style here... Win-win

Picks/prospects/4th liner piece, feel free to adjust as you like...

Edited by stevkrause, 25 July 2012 - 08:10 AM.

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:43 PM

I never said Mursak, but I still feel he'd be a reasonable piece... Defensemen generally don't develop as fast either, and Kindl made great strides each yeast in GR (look at his +/- and how it improved considerably each year), also, as I already touched on, I feel Kindl's style better fits in Calgary's system and JBo's style here... Win-win

Picks/prospects/4th liner piece, feel free to adjust as you like...


What, exactly, is Kindl's style, and why would it fit well in Calgary?

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:39 AM

What, exactly, is Kindl's style, and why would it fit well in Calgary?

I know you're just being your usual, abrasive, argumentative self, and are only asking this for the sake of dredging up more content to argue about, but I'll play.

Wide open, run and gun style - more opportunities to pinch.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:06 AM

regardless of his statistics last season, bouwmeester has spent 5+ years as a top pairing defenseman. why would calgary trade him for a defensemen with 17 career points, a forward with 4 career points, and a 1st round pick that most likely wont be in the top half of the round?

dont get me wrong, as a wings fan i love kindl and mursak and have been optimistic about them for years. but kindl was a first round pick 7 years ago. he doesnt exactly hold much weight as a 'prospect.' kindl was very underwhelming in grand rapids including a -34 season. while i know thats often an overused stat, the reason i find it important is that he was by far the worst on the team. he put up only decent offensive numbers in grand rapids. he showed little in his first half season with the wings. i do feel he had a good year this year with 13 points and looked good in games, but not enough to warrant being sought after in a trade for a top pairing guy. for mursak, he put up 86 points in 184 games in grand rapids. once again, not that great. he has 4 points in 44 nhl games.

how are either of those guys assets that calgary would want back? they might as well trade him for picks only or for guys that are young enough to still turn out better. mursak is 24 and kindl is 25. not really prime candidates to be prospects.

Agreed.

Chances are the Flames aren't gonna want our cast-offs - even if it's a salary dump by moving Bouwmeester.

You and others only refer to him this way when you've suggested him in a trade proposal. You know, there's a reason why you feel he's expendable...

For once you, and I agree on something.

As overpaid as Bouwmeester is, If Kindl is the centerpiece of a deal for him the Wings will likely be adding a 1st round pick to the deal and even then Calgary may ask for more.

If Quincey cost us a 1st rounder - I'm certain Bouwmeester will cost much - much more.

The only way we get him cheap is if Feaster is desperate in moving him for cap space; I'm not so sure if he's that desperate.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:46 AM

Bouwmeester has a no-trade clause right?

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 11:08 AM

I know you're just being your usual, abrasive, argumentative self, and are only asking this for the sake of dredging up more content to argue about, but I'll play.


No, I asked it because you said that Kindl had a defined style and I was curious what you felt that style was.

Wide open, run and gun style - more opportunities to pinch.


And what makes you think that this would fit in well with the Flames' system? The reality of Kindl is that he's below average at offense, average at defense, and does not use his size. He would be a #6 defenseman on most teams in the league. He does not have "a ton of upside," as you have said. If he did, then he'd have continued developing with the Wings. As things stand, he has had difficulty cracking the lineup on a regular basis, and he has neither impressed nor improved in any substantial manner over the past three seasons.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:00 PM

Kindl is like the 1 chick left at the end of the bar who will not go home. No matter how much you look at her, she will always look the same. Whiskey, Rye, Rum, Vodka, it doesn't matter. Kindl will never get any better than he is now. Which is not very good. I know some of you like him but I don't. He reminds me of Yan Golubovsky and Max Kuznetsov. They never improve no matter how much you play them and they have no redeeming qualities. Just like the chick at the end of the bar at 2 AM.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:06 PM

Bouwmeester has a no-trade clause right?


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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:31 PM

I know you're just being your usual, abrasive, argumentative self, and are only asking this for the sake of dredging up more content to argue about, but I'll play.

Wide open, run and gun style - more opportunities to pinch.


No, I asked it because you said that Kindl had a defined style and I was curious what you felt that style was.

And what makes you think that this would fit in well with the Flames' system? The reality of Kindl is that he's below average at offense, average at defense, and does not use his size. He would be a #6 defenseman on most teams in the league. He does not have "a ton of upside," as you have said. If he did, then he'd have continued developing with the Wings. As things stand, he has had difficulty cracking the lineup on a regular basis, and he has neither impressed nor improved in any substantial manner over the past three seasons.


You just proved stevekrause was exactly right. :lol:

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 02:09 PM

If Quincey cost us a 1st rounder - I'm certain Bouwmeester will cost much - much more.

The only way we get him cheap is if Feaster is desperate in moving him for cap space; I'm not so sure if he's that desperate.


I agree completely, and I'm not sure he's worth much more than Quincey considering their production over the past few seasons. When you consider he'd also be the highest paid player on the team I think I'd rather pass and look for other options.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 03:22 PM

I agree completely, and I'm not sure he's worth much more than Quincey considering their production over the past few seasons. When you consider he'd also be the highest paid player on the team I think I'd rather pass and look for other options.

This. He got Lidstrom-like playing time and put up Kyle Quincey numbers. Actually, Quincey was more productive than him at LA and COL.

After sleeping on this, I have little interest. Especially if we had to give up any of the top 4 trade assets normally thrown around (Flip, Franzen, Nyquist, Smith)





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