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#41 goon19

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:10 PM

I'd take Semin for a year over Doan.

Doan is a great player and a warrior, but the guy's 35. His help to this team is limited, especially given how he plays. A 28 year old Semin on a one year deal, you hope he turns it around and then the Wings can lock him up for a handful of years next season.


So hypothetical situations you couldn't possibly know are true are ok when used to dismiss a signing?

I'd have to think getting Semin away from Ovechkin and around a player like Dats could only help.



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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:12 PM

You're telling me one introvert would kill the Wings locker room and do more harm than good? Better to waste another year of an elite players career with a lazy, unmotivated Franzen and an over-the-hill, slow, lackluster Bertuzzi on his wing?


That lazy unmotivated Franzen made 3 million less and had more production than Semin.

If Semin is an elite player, then so is Franzen. Hell Franzen has a much better post season PPG than Semin.

Because Holland didn't sign him, naturally the only reasonable assumption is that it would have a negative impact on the Wings. :rolleyes:

If he had signed him, I'm sure people would be lining up to say how Semin could turn it around here because of all the leadership in Detroit.


Not at all, I'm just saying what I think the situation was, and how I personally feel about Semin on the Red Wings.
If Semin has a good year in Carolina, and doesn't cause any trouble I'll gladly take my words back. I just feel, with the information I have, that he would not have been a good gamble.

I don't think there is a right or wrong. It will have to play out, all we have to go on is our on thoughts and projections.

Edited by Carman, 26 July 2012 - 03:14 PM.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:15 PM

Cool. Who is next to stay away from Detroit?
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:18 PM

Exactly. Enjoy being a saddle sore Hudler.


I was being sarcastic. :tounge:

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:19 PM

That lazy unmotivated Franzen made 3 million less and had more production than Semin.

If Semin is an elite player, then so is Franzen. Hell Franzen has a much better post season PPG than Semin.



Not at all, I'm just saying what I think the situation was, and how I personally feel about Semin on the Red Wings.
If Semin has a good year in Carolina, and doesn't cause any trouble I'll gladly take my words back. I just feel, with the information I have, that he would not have been a good gamble.

I don't think there is a right or wrong. It will have to play out, all we have to go on is our on thoughts and projections.


I see a lot of Franzen bashing on here, I know he has his slow streaks but doesn't everybody? The guy scored 5 goals in a game against Ottawa! Give him some credit.

Anyways,

I think Semin would have been worth the chance for a 1 year opportunity and I don't feel that he would hurt the locker room. At least he would have boosted team morale.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:19 PM

That lazy unmotivated Franzen made 3 million less and had more production than Semin.

If Semin is an elite player, then so is Franzen. Hell Franzen has a much better post season PPG than Semin.


Semin isn't the elite I was referring to, Datsyuk was.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:19 PM

I was being sarcastic. :tounge:


I wasn't. lol

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:20 PM

I see a lot of Franzen bashing on here, I know he has his slow streaks but doesn't everybody? The guy scored 5 goals in a game against Ottawa! Give him some credit.


If he had missed that game, he would have only scored 22 goals that season.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:22 PM

That lazy unmotivated Franzen made 3 million less and had more production than Semin.

Franzen had 2 more points than Semin in the same number of games.

$3 million less? Are you comparing Franzen's cap hit on his 11 year deal to Semin's on a 1 year deal? Not exactly apples to apples. Franzen was paid $5.25 mill last season. Semin was paid $6.7 mill

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:27 PM

I think it's time to reinstate the "Neg" button.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:27 PM

I guess last year was a good one for NHL owners. The $$$ being thrown around this year is unprecedented.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:29 PM

Franzen had 2 more points than Semin in the same number of games.

$3 million less? Are you comparing Franzen's cap hit on his 11 year deal to Semin's on a 1 year deal? Not exactly apples to apples. Franzen was paid $5.25 mill last season. Semin was paid $6.7 mill


Either way Franzen's caphit is lower, and he's proved to be much much more productive in the post season.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:32 PM

$7 million for Alexander Semin :lol:

I knew he wouldn't be taking 5 mil or any of the other lower figures being thrown around. The fact that teams seemed to be shying away from him should speak volumes about his character.

On the other hand, the well is really beginning to run dry.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:35 PM

I wonder if Illitch is tightening the purse strings a bit. It's really unusual for the Wings to just sit on $13 million. I know there aren't many great players out there, but at this point it wouldn't hurt to increase our depth with some bottom players and hope someone has a lucky year and plays above their skill set.

Since there doesn't seem to be any movement for a top defenseman or a top forward.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:42 PM

Wow... you have to admire Semin's agent. Let's look at his history:

1st contract after rookie year: 4.6mil cap hit, 2 year long, Washington
08-09: 62gp / 34g / 79pts (1.27pt/g , 0.55 g/g)
09-10: 73gp / 40g / 84pts (1.15 pt/g, 0.55 g/g)

RFA contract: 6mil cap hit, 1 year long, Washington
10-11: 65gp / 28g / 54pts (0.83 pt/g, 0.43 g/g)

1st UFA contract: 6.7mil cap hit, 1 year long, Washington
11-12: 77gp / 21g / 54pts (0.70 pt/g, 0.27 g/g)

2nd UFA contract: 7 mil cap hit, 1 year long, Carolina
12-13: lol

Who wouldn't want to keep getting raises as your reward for plummeting performance? Semin's goals per game was half his established peak level two years prior and only 63% of where it was the year before.

Now top all that off with constant grumbles across the league about his poor attitude. Hilarious stuff.

I wonder if Illitch is tightening the purse strings a bit. It's really unusual for the Wings to just sit on $13 million. I know there aren't many great players out there, but at this point it wouldn't hurt to increase our depth with some bottom players and hope someone has a lucky year and plays above their skill set.

Since there doesn't seem to be any movement for a top defenseman or a top forward.


To be honest I think it has a lot to do with the cap uncertainty at this point. Holland doesn't want to swallow a poison pill contract just yet.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:44 PM

Wow... you have to admire Semin's agent. Let's look at his history:

1st contract after rookie year: 4.6mil cap hit, 2 year long, Washington
08-09: 62gp / 34g / 79pts (1.27pt/g , 0.55 g/g)
09-10: 73gp / 40g / 84pts (1.15 pt/g, 0.55 g/g)

RFA contract: 6mil cap hit, 1 year long, Washington
10-11: 65gp / 28g / 54pts (0.83 pt/g, 0.43 g/g)

1st UFA contract: 6.7mil cap hit, 1 year long, Washington
11-12: 77gp / 21g / 54pts (0.70 pt/g, 0.27 g/g)

2nd UFA contract: 7 mil cap hit, 1 year long, Carolina
12-13: lol

Who wouldn't want to keep getting raises as your reward for plummeting performance? Semin's goals per game was half his established peak level two years prior and only 63% of where it was the year before.

Now top all that off with constant grumbles across the league about his poor attitude. Hilarious stuff.



To be honest I think it has a lot to do with the cap uncertainty at this point. Holland doesn't want to swallow a poison pill contract just yet.

Which is exactly why I'm happy he didn't come here.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:50 PM

Hey... Kenny's been busy too ya know. He landed us a D-Man in Brennan Evans!

Career AHLer looks like, but he's a big guy at least.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:53 PM

Hey... Kenny's been busy too ya know. He landed us a D-Man in Brennan Evans!

Career AHLer looks like, but he's a big guy at least.

Source: http://www.tsn.ca/nh...ature/?id=25880 (I swear this was the only place that I saw any mention of it)


It was on the WIng's homepage. http://redwings.nhl....s.htm?id=638537

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:56 PM

To be honest I think it has a lot to do with the cap uncertainty at this point. Holland doesn't want to swallow a poison pill contract just yet.

But the Suter deal could've been exactly that, and Holland made the offer.

A one year deal for Semin is among the lower risk contracts you could get.

Like I said, I'm just surprised and a little confused Holland wasn't even interested. Just seeing what Semin could do with Datsyuk and on the PP seems like enough incentive to at least kick the tires a little.

If he stinks it up, then it's money lost and some cap room that right now looks like it's not getting used anyway. Unless Holland's still got a trick up his sleeve.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:56 PM

Thank god Semin is not a Red Wings !!! Thank You !!! I'm so glad that this lazy player will not waste 7$ million of our Owner even if it's not being used.





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