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#141 Crymson

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:08 AM

Semin signs for big money, but no term, so no risk and yet, nothing because we were waiting on Doan. And surprise surprise, Wings are out of the Doan bidding because its gotten to high. Imagine that, half the teams in the league courting and waiting on one guy and he is too expensive? Golly...


Holland was never interested in Semin. There's no indication that this had anything to do with Doan. Your speculation has no basis. As for Doan, would you like to have a near-40 winger locked in at $6m for multiple seasons with the cap likely to be reduced by the new CBA?

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:31 AM

I've never seen so many people ***** and whine, that we DIDN'T sign an overpaid, unmotivated, slacker.

Are we that desperate for a new whipping boy???


In other news, it's only July, we have until late February to see who we can bring in to finish out our roster. There's no need to get out your pitchforks and torches, just yet. Hell, they may not even have a season this year. First things first.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:41 AM

No thanks for $7mill ... good job Holland. Rather you hold it in the bank then waste 1/2 of our cap on a slacker.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:07 AM

At this point, the 'Canes look something like this:

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:19 AM

So what's left for Detroit? Doan and a possible trade for Ryan? It's interesting that Semin didn't sign with the Red Wings. Either Detroit didn't offer him a contract good enough or he didn't want to play in Detroit. I can't imagine why Holland wouldn't extend a one year offer Semin's way. There's ample cap space and virtually no way to spend it now. What would have been the harm in signing a former 40 goal scored to a 1 year deal worth $7 Mil? If he tanks, so what? You lose the money that was going to go unspent? Big deal. Low risk, high reward situation. I'm surprised this didn't get done.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:23 AM

The Wings didn't make an offer from what I've read.

They were waiting on Doan and were only interested in Semin if that fell through. I think Babcock was a big part of not signing him, I can't imagine he'd want anything to do with Semin as much as all of us fans wanted him.

Sounds like Doan is out too so either they are giving the prospects a chance to play this year or there is going to be a trade soon.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:45 AM

It's interesting that Semin didn't sign with the Red Wings. Either Detroit didn't offer him a contract good enough or he didn't want to play in Detroit.


Perhaps you should try reading the abundantly available evidence to the contrary.

Edited by Crymson, 27 July 2012 - 01:47 AM.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:24 AM

There is a reason Holland, and almost every other gm for that matter, didn't want him. The reasons why have been talked about to no end. I don't think this a case of a player getting a bad rap or being unfairly characterized either. His issues are real. Detroit has some terrific young talent and the last thing you want is to bring this guy in and be a cancer to them. No need to cut your younger guys playing time for this bozo. You'd have been better off keeping hudler for 4 mill and get the same production without the issues. Besides, even without his issues, is this guy really a top 6 forward with the guys you already have?
Borderline perhaps?

And sure, a one year contract is less risk. But 7 mill is a risk. Really wanna pay this guy more than anyone else on your team? What happens when its time to renegotiate and re-up datsyuk and zetterberg after you give semin 7 mill? And just because holland has 13 mill doesn't mean he should just bring in anyone. What happens if semin's play is horrendous and he is a locker room cancer? Everyone would be ready to kill holland for bringing him in. Nobody is gonna say he was worth it just because you had cap room. I have 36 bucks in my pocket right now but I'm not rushing out to spend it on something im not sure about before midnite. Who knows, tommorrow i may run across something that i really do like and I'll be able to get it without hitting up the ATM.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:05 AM

Babcock would rather deal with our current roster than add a potential 40 goal scorer and someone to develop mad chemistry with Datsyuk?


Who says he'd have mad chemistry with Dats? He might not. Could be a bust. People were all big on him coming here to play with Dats in the view that they would both tear up the league. That's not guaranteed.

Also I don't quite agree that it's low risk as everyone says. Because although we've got the cap space, we could have been paying him $7m+ to do jack. He could have continued to waste his talent and then would have been out the door next year having got his money. Just the opposite side to the argument. At least we know from experience that a guy like Doan, even at 35, would give his all every shift. And yeah he's a lot older but it never stopped Lids or Rafalski or Ozzy (although his body gave up really), or all the other veteran guys we had when everyone said we were too old.

I'm not really upset we didn't get Semin, but yeah would have been happy/wary/reserved judgement if we did. Just a little annoyed that nothing has been done to fill the biggest gaps. That being said Holland is probably trying to work something good that doesn't cripple us.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:05 AM

Holland was never interested in Semin. There's no indication that this had anything to do with Doan. Your speculation has no basis. As for Doan, would you like to have a near-40 winger locked in at $6m for multiple seasons with the cap likely to be reduced by the new CBA?


I'm well aware Holland showed no interest in Semin, which makes his signing a one-year contract all the more irritating. My point with Doan isn't that we shouldn't have dropped out of the running; we were right to do so. My point was that it was obviously going to come to that since half the league has been waiting on this guy since July 8th.

We could have gotten a premium goal-scorer as a one-year rental for nothing more than capspace, but we weren't interested. Semin could have either been a bum, while providing more scoring and being off the books in a year, or he could have surprised many and changed his game and attitude for the better. We'll never know. I get that we aren't willing to "overpay" (a term steadily losing meaning) especially with any term involved, so why have we been waiting on Doan for 3-weeks when it was obviously going to come to Phoenix or bidding war, instead of taking a "risk" on a one-year deal with Semin.

The Wings needed multiple top-4 defensemen, and yet only tried for one, Suter, while every other guy signed elsewhere for "overpayments". Suter leaves on hanging with no options. At forward the Wings have less need, unless you count the fact that D and Z have been shouldering the load on the team for far to long without legitimate goal-scoring wingers and we had cap to spare. Still, we try for Nash and then for Doan, lining up behind everyone else in the league, all the while knowing we can't "overpay". Seems a bit futile going after the big fish with the wrong test.

I'm not completely surprised, and in some instances it seemed to have been out of our hands, but Semin isn't one of those cases. Like I said in chat yesterday: this off-season has been like the scene from a Beautiful Mind where Russell Crowe explains that if they all went after the hottest girl at the bar, they would all likely strike out and go home alone, but if they all went for her slightly less hot friends their chances are much better because they actually appreciate the interest.

Wings and everyone else courted the prettiest girl at the dance, but since they aren't willing to pay the price, failed to get something they could afford instead. The off-season started with Parise and Suter, and if not them, Garrison, Doan, Semin, maybe Nash in a trade and at least bring in someone like Salo or Carle for help. I mean we have over $20m in cap and the best GM in the league, what could possibly go wrong? :P

Holland was unwilling to compromise, which is his biggest strength, and this off-season, his biggest weakness.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:01 AM

You do realize that once you sign a guy for way more than he's worth you can't legitimately pay the rest of your team fair-market value when their contracts are up, right? If Holland breaks the salary structure to bring in someone who isn't a bonefide superstar he's f***ed when Datsyuk, Filppula, Smith and Nyquist are up for re-signing.


I get your point,but didn't he pay Ericsson last year or lately Tootoo and Gustavsson fair-market $$$ ?

The Wings brass simply don't like the guy it seems.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:11 AM

This one Holland should have been in on. 1 year is ZERO risk. 7mill we have easily. This was a complete failure to make our hockey team better with little risk. I'm tired of all the holland defenders who are saying we shouldn't overpay for him. IT WAS A ONE YEAR DEAL. We aren't close to the cap ceiling. Realistically this should have been done.

"Holland was unwilling to compromise, which is his biggest strength, and this off-season, his biggest weakness." This sums this offseason up for me. Holland can pass on certain bad deals like long term overpaying for Carle, Wideman but a one year deal for Semin would have made so much sense regardless of character issues you think he may have.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:13 AM

Wrong. I know what you mean, but a 1 yr deal of ANY amount is not the same as a long term commitment like the ones given to 13, 40, or even 93. Semin would've been a mercenary no different than Hossa.


I think comparing bringing Hossa on for one year and bring Semin on for one year is a horrible comparison. In fact the only thing that the two situations have in common is one year term and $7m+ salary. Hossa was the best UFA that year, he turned down much better offers to play with the Wings (in fact his agent said "'I have never been involved in a deal and seen a player get so excited to take $85 million less than he was offered elsewhere,' Winter told The Canadian Press. 'It's almost incomprehensible, even to an agent. But Marian is a special player.'" ), and neither his work ethic or his attitude had ever been questioned. Semin on the other hand was not tops on anyone's list, couldn't get a multiyear deal (at least not a good one), didn't turn down better offers (I assume), and is constantly questioned and trashed over his work ethic and attitude.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:41 AM

Really wanna pay this guy more than anyone else on your team?


This, I imagine, is what it reallly came down to. I think the "team salary cap" (i.e. no one gets paid more than Datsyuk) is kinda wack, but in this case, I'm ok with it. Semin should NOT be the highest paid player on any team.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:33 AM

It's 100% about salary structure. Holland will be negotiating with a few guys on extensions this year and that would be really tough to do if you just signed a guy with a terrible rep and hilariously declining production to the highest cap hit on the entire team...

Normally I agree, but when it's a one year contract and they're headed into a new CBA, I don't know that it's as relevant because it'll be a whole new ballgame when negotiating. I guess it might still be a sticking point for guys he was thinking of signing on a one year deal next season, but I don't know that's the case with any of the players who will be free agents.

Like I said, I'm just surprised Holland showed no interest from the get go.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:35 AM

I think comparing bringing Hossa on for one year and bring Semin on for one year is a horrible comparison. In fact the only thing that the two situations have in common is one year term and $7m+ salary. Hossa was the best UFA that year, he turned down much better offers to play with the Wings (in fact his agent said "'I have never been involved in a deal and seen a player get so excited to take $85 million less than he was offered elsewhere,' Winter told The Canadian Press. 'It's almost incomprehensible, even to an agent. But Marian is a special player.'"), and neither his work ethic or his attitude had ever been questioned. Semin on the other hand was not tops on anyone's list, couldn't get a multiyear deal (at least not a good one), didn't turn down better offers (I assume), and is constantly questioned and trashed over his work ethic and attitude.


Talking about Hossa makes me sad and angry. Let's pretend he was never here, and we never missed out on re-signing him.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:40 AM

Talking about Hossa makes me sad and angry. Let's pretend he was never here, and we never missed out on re-signing him.


Lol. I really wish we had re-signed him long term too.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:50 AM

Lol. I really wish we had re-signed him long term too.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:55 AM

Holland has been awful, but we will know the full awfulness that is Ken Holland when he pulls his final move. Holmstrom for 1 more year at 1.5 million. Its amazing to watch a lot of people defend the guy while our team goes downhill despite having a good core to build around. Scotty Bowman was the hockey mind, and jimmy d and haakan andersson were the pioneers. Ilitch was the wallet. Holland is a dope.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:00 PM

"But he wasn't great in the playoffs, and Franzen was a beast! Who would you rather have? Go Mule!" - LGW, 2009


Congratulations on your ability to see the past. It is one shared by everyone with a functioning hippocampus. Seeing the future is a different quality entirely.

Edited by Crymson, 27 July 2012 - 12:26 PM.






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