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#1 Johnz96

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 03:13 PM

Just as good as Bouwmeester but wouldn't cost as much in a trade

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 03:47 PM

No. No no no and no.

Redden collected a big paycheck and disappeared. If I remember right hes still getting way overpaid and has a pretty nightmarish contract, something like 6.5 mil a season.

I read an article lately that listed the 15 worst contracts in sports history and Redden was on the list. He has nothing to contribute anymore for the money.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:23 PM

No. No no no and no.

Redden collected a big paycheck and disappeared. If I remember right hes still getting way overpaid and has a pretty nightmarish contract, something like 6.5 mil a season.

I read an article lately that listed the 15 worst contracts in sports history and Redden was on the list. He has nothing to contribute anymore for the money.

Bouwmeester should be on that list also. I wouldn't want Redden but because he could be had for nothing, he would be a much better acquisition than Bouwmeester because they bring comparable on-ice value to a team

Edited by Johnz96, 27 August 2012 - 04:23 PM.


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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:57 PM

Were Redden able to play at a level equivalent to Bouwmeester, he would be spending his time in the NHL. He was dumped into the minors because he was not playing NHL-caliber hockey.

Bouwmeester isn't a premiere defenseman, but he's far more effective than Redden.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:06 PM

How is Redden anywhere comparable? Bouwmeester has his faults (especially for that contract), but he still plays 25 minutes per game in the NHL. Sure, you can get Redden for nothing but that's only because he's actually worth nothing.
 
 
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:08 PM

Ok - fading memory here.....

Back in the mid/late 90's - wasn't Redden considered a pretty good top 2 Dman when he was with the Sens?

I never really paid too much attention to him (having a soft spot for the Leafs I do recall all those great playoff match-ups with the Sens back when Toronto had a NHL calibre team), but I do recall seeing him play alot...I just cannot remember when his game took a nose dive - thus him playing in the AHL.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:28 PM

Ok - fading memory here.....

Back in the mid/late 90's - wasn't Redden considered a pretty good top 2 Dman when he was with the Sens?

I never really paid too much attention to him (having a soft spot for the Leafs I do recall all those great playoff match-ups with the Sens back when Toronto had a NHL calibre team), but I do recall seeing him play alot...I just cannot remember when his game took a nose dive - thus him playing in the AHL.


He signed a huge contract with the Rangers and managed 40 points in his first 156 games. Apparently he wasn't too hot on defense either. He's currently the highest-paid player in the history of the AHL. I've read that he makes more for one game than many members of his team make in an entire season.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:46 PM

Ok - fading memory here.....

Back in the mid/late 90's - wasn't Redden considered a pretty good top 2 Dman when he was with the Sens?

I never really paid too much attention to him (having a soft spot for the Leafs I do recall all those great playoff match-ups with the Sens back when Toronto had a NHL calibre team), but I do recall seeing him play alot...I just cannot remember when his game took a nose dive - thus him playing in the AHL.

He was a legitimate defenseman during his tenure with Ottawa. Signed a huge contract with the Rangers prior to the '08/'09 season. His offensive production was minimal after that. On top of that, he wasn't the most sound defensively.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:50 PM

Ok - fading memory here.....

Back in the mid/late 90's - wasn't Redden considered a pretty good top 2 Dman when he was with the Sens?

I never really paid too much attention to him (having a soft spot for the Leafs I do recall all those great playoff match-ups with the Sens back when Toronto had a NHL calibre team), but I do recall seeing him play alot...I just cannot remember when his game took a nose dive - thus him playing in the AHL.

If you scroll to the bottom of the page there are people suggesting Datsyuk for Redden not too long ago. Redden is an average NHL defenseman who looked a lot better than he is because of his partner. He signed a big contract and you can't win paying average players like premier players so he has been toiling in the minors so the Rangers don't have to count him against the cap, exactly where Bouwmeester should be but the Flames aren't smart enough to realize it and are going to miss the playoffs yet again unless they can get him off of their cap count and replace him with someone worth their pay somehow, which should make Iginla available next year

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:50 PM

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 09:01 PM

If you scroll to the bottom of the page there are people suggesting Datsyuk for Redden not too long ago.


Do you really classify seven years ago as "not too long ago"? That thread was made in the summer of 2005, two months before the first post-lockout season began. Datsyuk was an untested youngster with a history of playoff disappearance, and Redden was in the prime of his career. Today Datsyuk is unquestionably one of the best forwards in the world, and Redden has spent the past two seasons in the AHL.

Redden is an average NHL defenseman who looked a lot better than he is because of his partner. He signed a big contract and you can't win paying average players like premier players so he has been toiling in the minors so the Rangers don't have to count him against the cap,


He is in the minors because he was playing terribly. He's an offensive defenseman, and he mustered an average of 20 points in his first two seasons with the Rangers. He is not at all exceptional on defense; he was thus completely useless. This made his cap hit unconscionable, and so he was deposited in the AHL. It did not happen because he was an average defenseman with a bad contract. It happened because he was a terrible defenseman with a bad contract. I'm not sure if you've bothered to check on his stats over the last two seasons. If you do so, you'll find that he ranked #4 in defense scoring on his AHL team. Needless to say, that's very bad for a guy who previously made his dough on the power of his offensive prowess.

exactly where Bouwmeester should be but the Flames aren't smart enough to realize it and are going to miss the playoffs yet again unless they can get him off of their cap count and replace him with someone worth their pay somehow, which should make Iginla available next year


The Flames are better with Bouwmeester than without him. While his cap hit is excessive for what he brings to the table, he can still perform ably on the second pairing.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:30 PM

Without reading everyone's comments I'm going to say GOD NO.

Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 27 August 2012 - 11:32 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 07:02 AM

Do you really classify seven years ago as "not too long ago"? That thread was made in the summer of 2005, two months before the first post-lockout season began. Datsyuk was an untested youngster with a history of playoff disappearance, and Redden was in the prime of his career. Today Datsyuk is unquestionably one of the best forwards in the world, and Redden has spent the past two seasons in the AHL.



He is in the minors because he was playing terribly. He's an offensive defenseman, and he mustered an average of 20 points in his first two seasons with the Rangers. He is not at all exceptional on defense; he was thus completely useless. This made his cap hit unconscionable, and so he was deposited in the AHL. It did not happen because he was an average defenseman with a bad contract. It happened because he was a terrible defenseman with a bad contract. I'm not sure if you've bothered to check on his stats over the last two seasons. If you do so, you'll find that he ranked #4 in defense scoring on his AHL team. Needless to say, that's very bad for a guy who previously made his dough on the power of his offensive prowess.



The Flames are better with Bouwmeester than without him. While his cap hit is excessive for what he brings to the table, he can still perform ably on the second pairing.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 07:06 AM

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 07:57 AM

Ok - fading memory here.....

Back in the mid/late 90's - wasn't Redden considered a pretty good top 2 Dman when he was with the Sens?

I never really paid too much attention to him (having a soft spot for the Leafs I do recall all those great playoff match-ups with the Sens back when Toronto had a NHL calibre team), but I do recall seeing him play alot...I just cannot remember when his game took a nose dive - thus him playing in the AHL.

I believe it was after his mother passed away after battling cancer. Dude got pretty depressed and his game went to s***. I recall that being the story. Used to be a big Redden fan.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:24 PM

For 500k it'd be worth a shot sure, otherwise hell nahhh. It's been 4 years since he was an average defenseman in the NHL, and probably about 5 years since he was above average, that's a long time.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:45 PM

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 05:41 PM

As for Redden I really haven't followed his status for the last few seasons so Ill just assume based on he's playing in the minors and cost that dough, no thank you.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:17 AM

If Ken gets off his ass, we can have a lineup that looks like this to start the season:

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Simmonds
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Jones-Helm-Neil
McGrattan-Beleskey-Tootoo
Miller

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