Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted August 27, 2012 Just as good as Bouwmeester but wouldn't cost as much in a trade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MabusIncarnate 5,344 Report post Posted August 27, 2012 No. No no no and no. Redden collected a big paycheck and disappeared. If I remember right hes still getting way overpaid and has a pretty nightmarish contract, something like 6.5 mil a season. I read an article lately that listed the 15 worst contracts in sports history and Redden was on the list. He has nothing to contribute anymore for the money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) No. No no no and no. Redden collected a big paycheck and disappeared. If I remember right hes still getting way overpaid and has a pretty nightmarish contract, something like 6.5 mil a season. I read an article lately that listed the 15 worst contracts in sports history and Redden was on the list. He has nothing to contribute anymore for the money. Bouwmeester should be on that list also. I wouldn't want Redden but because he could be had for nothing, he would be a much better acquisition than Bouwmeester because they bring comparable on-ice value to a team Edited August 27, 2012 by Johnz96 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted August 27, 2012 Were Redden able to play at a level equivalent to Bouwmeester, he would be spending his time in the NHL. He was dumped into the minors because he was not playing NHL-caliber hockey. Bouwmeester isn't a premiere defenseman, but he's far more effective than Redden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted August 27, 2012 How is Redden anywhere comparable? Bouwmeester has his faults (especially for that contract), but he still plays 25 minutes per game in the NHL. Sure, you can get Redden for nothing but that's only because he's actually worth nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted August 27, 2012 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted August 28, 2012 Ok - fading memory here..... Back in the mid/late 90's - wasn't Redden considered a pretty good top 2 Dman when he was with the Sens? I never really paid too much attention to him (having a soft spot for the Leafs I do recall all those great playoff match-ups with the Sens back when Toronto had a NHL calibre team), but I do recall seeing him play alot...I just cannot remember when his game took a nose dive - thus him playing in the AHL. He signed a huge contract with the Rangers and managed 40 points in his first 156 games. Apparently he wasn't too hot on defense either. He's currently the highest-paid player in the history of the AHL. I've read that he makes more for one game than many members of his team make in an entire season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 Ok - fading memory here..... Back in the mid/late 90's - wasn't Redden considered a pretty good top 2 Dman when he was with the Sens? I never really paid too much attention to him (having a soft spot for the Leafs I do recall all those great playoff match-ups with the Sens back when Toronto had a NHL calibre team), but I do recall seeing him play alot...I just cannot remember when his game took a nose dive - thus him playing in the AHL. He was a legitimate defenseman during his tenure with Ottawa. Signed a huge contract with the Rangers prior to the '08/'09 season. His offensive production was minimal after that. On top of that, he wasn't the most sound defensively. A big NO to Wade Redden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 Ok - fading memory here..... Back in the mid/late 90's - wasn't Redden considered a pretty good top 2 Dman when he was with the Sens? I never really paid too much attention to him (having a soft spot for the Leafs I do recall all those great playoff match-ups with the Sens back when Toronto had a NHL calibre team), but I do recall seeing him play alot...I just cannot remember when his game took a nose dive - thus him playing in the AHL. If you scroll to the bottom of the page there are people suggesting Datsyuk for Redden not too long ago. Redden is an average NHL defenseman who looked a lot better than he is because of his partner. He signed a big contract and you can't win paying average players like premier players so he has been toiling in the minors so the Rangers don't have to count him against the cap, exactly where Bouwmeester should be but the Flames aren't smart enough to realize it and are going to miss the playoffs yet again unless they can get him off of their cap count and replace him with someone worth their pay somehow, which should make Iginla available next year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 I'm expecting to see an Eric Daze thread any day now. 2 Z Winged Dangler and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted August 28, 2012 If you scroll to the bottom of the page there are people suggesting Datsyuk for Redden not too long ago. Do you really classify seven years ago as "not too long ago"? That thread was made in the summer of 2005, two months before the first post-lockout season began. Datsyuk was an untested youngster with a history of playoff disappearance, and Redden was in the prime of his career. Today Datsyuk is unquestionably one of the best forwards in the world, and Redden has spent the past two seasons in the AHL. Redden is an average NHL defenseman who looked a lot better than he is because of his partner. He signed a big contract and you can't win paying average players like premier players so he has been toiling in the minors so the Rangers don't have to count him against the cap, He is in the minors because he was playing terribly. He's an offensive defenseman, and he mustered an average of 20 points in his first two seasons with the Rangers. He is not at all exceptional on defense; he was thus completely useless. This made his cap hit unconscionable, and so he was deposited in the AHL. It did not happen because he was an average defenseman with a bad contract. It happened because he was a terrible defenseman with a bad contract. I'm not sure if you've bothered to check on his stats over the last two seasons. If you do so, you'll find that he ranked #4 in defense scoring on his AHL team. Needless to say, that's very bad for a guy who previously made his dough on the power of his offensive prowess. exactly where Bouwmeester should be but the Flames aren't smart enough to realize it and are going to miss the playoffs yet again unless they can get him off of their cap count and replace him with someone worth their pay somehow, which should make Iginla available next year The Flames are better with Bouwmeester than without him. While his cap hit is excessive for what he brings to the table, he can still perform ably on the second pairing. 2 Nightfall and MabusIncarnate reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) Without reading everyone's comments I'm going to say GOD NO. Edited August 28, 2012 by St. Michael (the Red Wing) 1 MabusIncarnate reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 Do you really classify seven years ago as "not too long ago"? That thread was made in the summer of 2005, two months before the first post-lockout season began. Datsyuk was an untested youngster with a history of playoff disappearance, and Redden was in the prime of his career. Today Datsyuk is unquestionably one of the best forwards in the world, and Redden has spent the past two seasons in the AHL. He is in the minors because he was playing terribly. He's an offensive defenseman, and he mustered an average of 20 points in his first two seasons with the Rangers. He is not at all exceptional on defense; he was thus completely useless. This made his cap hit unconscionable, and so he was deposited in the AHL. It did not happen because he was an average defenseman with a bad contract. It happened because he was a terrible defenseman with a bad contract. I'm not sure if you've bothered to check on his stats over the last two seasons. If you do so, you'll find that he ranked #4 in defense scoring on his AHL team. Needless to say, that's very bad for a guy who previously made his dough on the power of his offensive prowess. The Flames are better with Bouwmeester than without him. While his cap hit is excessive for what he brings to the table, he can still perform ably on the second pairing. /thread 1 MabusIncarnate reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anthonyn66 89 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/embed/AFNV5mckQDs skip to 1:55 Edited August 28, 2012 by anthonyn66 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 Ok - fading memory here..... Back in the mid/late 90's - wasn't Redden considered a pretty good top 2 Dman when he was with the Sens? I never really paid too much attention to him (having a soft spot for the Leafs I do recall all those great playoff match-ups with the Sens back when Toronto had a NHL calibre team), but I do recall seeing him play alot...I just cannot remember when his game took a nose dive - thus him playing in the AHL. I believe it was after his mother passed away after battling cancer. Dude got pretty depressed and his game went to s***. I recall that being the story. Used to be a big Redden fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 For 500k it'd be worth a shot sure, otherwise hell nahhh. It's been 4 years since he was an average defenseman in the NHL, and probably about 5 years since he was above average, that's a long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 100% No!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 958 Report post Posted August 28, 2012 As for Redden I really haven't followed his status for the last few seasons so Ill just assume based on he's playing in the minors and cost that dough, no thank you. Off topic now, I love the Torts! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted August 29, 2012 If Ken gets off his ass, we can have a lineup that looks like this to start the season: Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Simmonds Malone-Filppula-Nyquist Jones-Helm-Neil McGrattan-Beleskey-Tootoo Miller Kronwall-Volchenkov Jovanovski-Smith Vandermeer-Gudbranson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RusDRW 155 Report post Posted August 29, 2012 Jones-Helm-Neil excellent third line... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted August 29, 2012 If Ken gets off his ass, we can have a lineup that looks like this to start the season: Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Simmonds Malone-Filppula-Nyquist Jones-Helm-Neil McGrattan-Beleskey-Tootoo Miller Kronwall-Volchenkov Jovanovski-Smith Vandermeer-Gudbranson Perhaps you mean, "If NHL 13 becomes reality" then we could have that team. Sheesh. 2 FlashyG and Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted August 30, 2012 Perhaps you mean, "If NHL 13 becomes reality" then we could have that team. Sheesh. 'Twas more of a joke than anything, my friend. 1 P. Marlowe reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
