Where Do You Rank Our Defense?

[Guest The Axe]

Yandle would make us better.

[ogreslayer 1,069]

Well sadly this guy is now off the market & can't help the Wings

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Edited September 21, 2012 by ogreslayer

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

That would be the Penguins obviously. And you didn't notice Cansucks? I have a deep hatred for those 3 teams, so I use slang to describe them. 99% of my posts here are well thought out and mature, it appears you've tapped into that 1%. Either way, those are the teams that the Wings D would be lumped in with as equals and the main point is that only the Rangers and Bruins have overall better D in my opinion. And the slang for teams can't be the only thing you took from my post...it was fairly descriptive despite your criticism.

As for part 2 of your post. I agree 100%. Stuart had his bags packed all year. He was ok, but he wasn't great shutdown Stuart and clearly, that's what we needed him to be last year. He looked lost for most of the year. He still hit and blocked shots, but his positioning/hockey sense was subpar.

One other thing...I like the Coliacovo signing as he is a very solid dman, but I still think that Kenny should have given Cam Barker a closer look. Probably could have got him cheap and he's got even more upside than Carlo.

No you're right that was not the only thing I took from your post. I do agree pretty well %100 with about about where our defence ranks, the only thing I didn't understand was shatbirgs lol. I agree not many teams have a "great" defense, they just have a couple key guys thats it.

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

No you're right that was not the only thing I took from your post. I do agree pretty well %100 with about about where our defence ranks, the only thing I didn't understand was shatbirgs lol. I agree not many teams have a "great" defense, they just have a couple key guys thats it.

I normall refer to them as the Sh*tbirds, but with the language filter I had to mix things up a bit .

I wish more people were onboard with being positive about the Wings team and defence. Our depth on D is better in my eyes than as you said "the couple key guys". The mindset that most people have though is that Lids and Stuart are gone and despite how good Smith is will never measure up to Lids and Kronwall apparently isn't a #1 dman.

Kronner is just as good as the legend himself Ryan Suter, Ericsson has become just as good as Stuart, Smith may win the Calder if a season starts and could push Kronwall for the point leader among dmen on the Wings, White and Coliacovo are solid and Quincey should get back to form and get 35-40 points. I don't get how a solid 6 doesn't please people even after the departure of Lids and Stuart. No one wants to trade with the Wings cause they don't want to be the team that adds the piece to the puzzle. Another thing, which is why Holland didn't want to give out more than 2 years to Coliacovo is that we have some really good D prospects that should be ready in 2-4 years....Sproul, Oulette, McKee and so on, and if Dekeyser decides to sign here after this year then he'll be in the mix too so it's not like Kenny didn't plan at all for the departures that happened, but he couldn't control what other teams were willing to give him in trades and that family was more important not just for Stuart, but also Suter and Parise.

Lastly, most dmen that got signed this summer as UFA's were grossly overpaid by teams crying that they have no money. Kenny's legacy will be that he built contenders every year and was fiscally responsible when the cap was brought into the NHL. Anyone who disagrees can look back to the 2008 Cup win in the "salary cap era" and the cup that should have been the following season.

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

I normall refer to them as the Sh*tbirds, but with the language filter I had to mix things up a bit .

I wish more people were onboard with being positive about the Wings team and defence. Our depth on D is better in my eyes than as you said "the couple key guys". The mindset that most people have though is that Lids and Stuart are gone and despite how good Smith is will never measure up to Lids and Kronwall apparently isn't a #1 dman.

Kronner is just as good as the legend himself Ryan Suter, Ericsson has become just as good as Stuart, Smith may win the Calder if a season starts and could push Kronwall for the point leader among dmen on the Wings, White and Coliacovo are solid and Quincey should get back to form and get 35-40 points. I don't get how a solid 6 doesn't please people even after the departure of Lids and Stuart. No one wants to trade with the Wings cause they don't want to be the team that adds the piece to the puzzle. Another thing, which is why Holland didn't want to give out more than 2 years to Coliacovo is that we have some really good D prospects that should be ready in 2-4 years....Sproul, Oulette, McKee and so on, and if Dekeyser decides to sign here after this year then he'll be in the mix too so it's not like Kenny didn't plan at all for the departures that happened, but he couldn't control what other teams were willing to give him in trades and that family was more important not just for Stuart, but also Suter and Parise.

Lastly, most dmen that got signed this summer as UFA's were grossly overpaid by teams crying that they have no money. Kenny's legacy will be that he built contenders every year and was fiscally responsible when the cap was brought into the NHL. Anyone who disagrees can look back to the 2008 Cup win in the "salary cap era" and the cup that should have been the following season.

I absolutely agree with you, which is why he did not re-sign Hudler(thank God) the only reason people are worried is because we lost Lidstrom and couldn't get Suter, boo hoo he was overpaid and over hyped. He won't be nearly as good without Weber. On the subject of Kronner I think he will be a solid #1 although he is prone to making mistakes here and there, aside from Lidstrom which nhl top d-man never makes mistakes? Our d will be fine now, we stay healthy and we will be fighting for top spot in the west all year!

[Dabura 12,207]

it's not like Kenny didn't plan at all for the departures that happened

It kinda is, though.

(*in before WHAT ABOUT QUINCEY*)

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

It kinda is, though.

(*in before WHAT ABOUT QUINCEY*)

Holland got Quincey in a 3 way trade involving Yzerman. That's how he has to work now cause teams are always afraid of what the Wings can be again. Another thing as well, tell me 1 dman that was signed this offseason that was not overpaid. Even Yzerman overpaid for Matt Carle. Either way, Quincey may bounce back and Smith should fit well on the blue line if there's even a season. Time will tell. Personally, I think we're fine.

[Dabura 12,207]

I'm not sore over this summer. I mean, I am - but I can't really fault Holland for it. What I can, and do, fault Holland for is his complacency and inaction re: Nick's looming retirement. There was no transition plan; he did nothing to cushion the coming blow. And so, there he was - jumping through hoops for frickin' Ryan Suter. And here he is - essentially stuck with what we have, unless he wants to pay a king's ransom (which is, actually, necessary, as we do need an elite first-pairing piece). Maybe I dreamed this, but I seem to recall Babcock recently saying something along the lines of "I don't know how we're gonna get it done [with this roster, i.e. this blue line], but we'll find a way." Translation: "Kenny, you son of a *****."

This is the Detroit Red Wings. It's Cup-or-bust, 24-7-365. It's Holland's job (or at least a huge-ass, mega-central part of it) to put this team in the best position he possibly can. And, unfortunately, he's dropped the ball re: our blue line. Which wouldn't bother me if this were, like, the Leafs. Or any other organization, really. But, again, this is the Wings. And Ken Holland is the best GM in the league, no questions asked. And that's what gets me.

Everyone's breathing a collective sigh of relief because - praise Jesus on high! - we've locked up a Plan B C D E in Carlo Colaiacovo. ("I never doubted you, Mr. Holland!") And, hey, Quincey was horrible for us, but he'll be amazing for us. And Kronwall's not really a full-on #1, and White should only be a #2 if the #1 is Nick Lidstrom (and even then...) - but they'll be fine!

I feel like The Bar has been lowered. I could go on, but this is already ranty enough, I guess.

Edited September 27, 2012 by Dabura

[Guest The Axe]

Nobody-Kronwall

Nobody-White

Smith-Ericsson

Quincey-Colo

[Guest Johnz96]

I think it'a a great D

I wouldn't be surprised if the don't allow a goal for a long time

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

I'm not sore over this summer. I mean, I am - but I can't really fault Holland for it. What I can, and do, fault Holland for is his complacency and inaction re: Nick's looming retirement. There was no transition plan; he did nothing to cushion the coming blow. And so, there he was - jumping through hoops for frickin' Ryan Suter. And here he is - essentially stuck with what we have, unless he wants to pay a king's ransom (which is, actually, necessary, as we do need an elite first-pairing piece). Maybe I dreamed this, but I seem to recall Babcock recently saying something along the lines of "I don't know how we're gonna get it done [with this roster, i.e. this blue line], but we'll find a way." Translation: "Kenny, you son of a *****."

This is the Detroit Red Wings. It's Cup-or-bust, 24-7-365. It's Holland's job (or at least a huge-ass, mega-central part of it) to put this team in the best position he possibly can. And, unfortunately, he's dropped the ball re: our blue line. Which wouldn't bother me if this were, like, the Leafs. Or any other organization, really. But, again, this is the Wings. And Ken Holland is the best GM in the league, no questions asked. And that's what gets me.

Everyone's breathing a collective sigh of relief because - praise Jesus on high! - we've locked up a Plan B C D E in Carlo Colaiacovo. ("I never doubted you, Mr. Holland!") And, hey, Quincey was horrible for us, but he'll be amazing for us. And Kronwall's not really a full-on #1, and White should only be a #2 if the #1 is Nick Lidstrom (and even then...) - but they'll be fine!

I feel like The Bar has been lowered. I could go on, but this is already ranty enough, I guess.

I understand your frustration, but in all honesty our D isn't that bad. You fail to realize Stuart played like garbage the last year and a half. Ericsson is better then Stuart was playing when he finished the season. Kronwall and white will make a solid top pairing, Smith(assuming he plays as well as he did in the 14 games he played last season) will be great alongside Ericsson on the second pairing, and quincey, kindl, and colo will fight for nhl time, thus hopefully improving their play. You also have to remember if Colo can stay healthy is a solid d-man, and he does have experience playing on the first pairing alongside pietrangelo. Our defence as a whole is still better then %90 of the teams, if we got one good piece we would have the best defence in the league again, but being in the top %10 isn't bad at all.

You also have to remember we have an elite goalie in Howie behind the defence, who can stop onslaught's of pucks. Howard's performance seems to dip when he has nothing to do most of the game, so he probably will have even better stats then last year if in fact our D isn't all that great, and I have full faith that Howie can give our team a winning chance every game he is in net

Edited October 1, 2012 by Euro_Twins

[Dabura 12,207]

Our D is not where it needs to be. We need to add an elite piece, one of the better defensemen in the league. That's what you do when you lose a guy god like Nick Lidstrom.

Edited October 4, 2012 by Dabura

[Euro_Twins 4,475]

Our D is not where it needs to be. We need to add an elite piece, one of the better defensemen in the league. That's what you do when you lose a guy god like Nick Lidstrom.

*correction, thats what you do when you are capable of doing so. We made attempts to get Suter & Parise, and Bouwmeester and other D-men aswell. Calgary will not give us bou without making us heavily over pay for them, we already got white after they didn't want him, and they saw how that turned out. Now that they have control over it they and every other team are not going to want to be the ones who add the missing piece to detroit. Unfortunately, Suter, greene, carle among others did not want to go to detroit.Even Columbus wouldn't give us Nash for what Holland and Babcock described as a hell of a deal (I heard Flip, Franz, and Nyquist were offered) So if you were Holland what would you do?

Edited October 5, 2012 by Euro_Twins

[Dabura 12,207]

I should've said: That is what you do when you know you'll soon be losing a guy god like Nick Lidstrom to retirement. Holland didn't do it, and now he has to overpay. And he doesn't get points for trying. Sadly, though, I'm sensing his solution is to not try at all. Because, you know, parity and growing from within and we kicked the tires and impossible to replace Nick Lidstrom, so why try and priced out and we like our team.

Mmmmm. Mediocrity.