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[Retired] Official Lockout Thread

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It's unfair, Bettman can use the corporations to his advantage. It's not the players who are greedy, it's the owners.

I fixed it for you.

While Bettman deserves the criticism, I believe the owners themselves are equally responsible. Yes, I am talking about Mr. Illitch and every other owner of every NHL team. Lets keep that in mind.

if people want a single person to blame on the league side it should be jeremy jacobs, owner of the bruins and head of the negotiating committee. that guy is 10x worse than bettman is.

Its very easy to read the public hate against Bettman. At the same time, every owner is skating away scott free and free of criticism. Read twitter and other social networking sites, and you will see that Bettman is discussed with vile hatred. This is why the owners hired him to be their mouthpiece. People can and should be reminded that when this is over and Bettman is either retained or fired, that the owners do not deserve a nickel of your hard earned money. Neither do the players at this junction. The NHL should fall into even worse shape so they are forced to drop ticket prices and plead with the fans to come back to the sport. The NHL owners and players should really feel like they got kicked in the nuts by the fans after this debacle.

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Somehow, ESPN gets it right on Bettman:

We’ve all forgotten what the definition of commissioner used to be. It’s faded over the last couple of decades. Call me naïve but last time I checked Bettman is the commissioner of the league. That includes the owners, players, zamboni drivers and Blackhawks Ice Girls. When exactly did the word commissioner become “puppet for the owners?”

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Put Bettman in goal and put it on pay-per-view.

Bettman gets shellacked, the league recoups its financial losses, and the players get to start the season with a warm, fuzzy feeling in their hearts.

+1

Except, Bettman doesn't get pads :)

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Somehow, ESPN gets it right on Bettman:

from the article

When exactly did the word commissioner become “puppet for the owners

when the board of governors (AKA the owners) selected him.

otherwise i agree with his premise that bettman needs to go. regardless of whether he's doing the owners bidding or not, his image alone is a bad one for the league. as marketing 101 goes: "perception = reality"

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Somehow, ESPN gets it right on Bettman:

That is a good article on explaining why Bettman is a terrible commissioner. It's not just irrational hate.

It also verifies another important point that's not being talked about when people compare this negotiation to the NFL and NBA CBA talks. Aside from the fact that the NBA also greatly increased revenue sharing in their deal, have a soft cap and a luxury tax, they're paying every single penny of player contracts that were signed before the new CBA. Only in the NHL is this considered an absolute necessity to renegotiate existing deals. And the players have even agreed to it, which didn't happen in the NBA.

Again, maybe Bettman is right. Maybe they should give some money back for the betterment of the league, but that sales job has to be the best he’s ever done. He needed to go “door to door” to each player and sell that -- if it could be sold at all. The NBA tried to sell it and it got shoved right back in their faces. No player in either of those leagues with an existing contract is making less than their contract called for after their labor issues were resolved. Under the current NHL revenue intake players are being asked to give back 12.3 percent of their current salaries, unless they can change the formula and make good on those lost wages. That’s an argument that simply can’t be made or needs to be made with a whole lot more tact. It’s breaking their contracts. Why doesn’t Bettman see how important that is to a person?

Another important point I've been trying to make that the article states well:

Let me be clear, Bettman might be right about every aspect of this fight (though he’s not), yet he’s still in the wrong. Simply put, his bedside manner has been horrific. His negotiating tactics have been awful. We’ve all forgotten what the definition of commissioner used to be. It’s faded over the last couple of decades. Call me naïve but last time I checked Bettman is the commissioner of the league. That includes the owners, players, zamboni drivers and Blackhawks Ice Girls. When exactly did the word commissioner become “puppet for the owners?” He should be held to a higher standard and that includes in the negotiating process, even if he is representing the owners.

It comes down to the part of his job as defined in the NHL constitution that is to protect the integrity and public faith in the league. There he has failed again and again.

No matter when the NHL season resumes, I hope they get rid of Bettman. If the league loses an entire season again, firing him is an absolute necessity.

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John Shannon@JSportsnet

Told there is still no clear direction between the sides in setting up meeting.Also told decision might not be until Sunday. #tickticktick

this is ridiculous.

it should not take 48 hrs to decide to meet someone or not. the lack of urgency displayed by both sides during this entire lockout has been pathetic.

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this is ridiculous.

it should not take 48 hrs to decide to meet someone or not. the lack of urgency displayed by both sides during this entire lockout has been pathetic.

Yeah seriously I am just waiting for the usual "there is enough time to get a deal done left" someone better tell both parties that even the biggest and hockey craziest markets have abandoned the NHL for the time being.

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they have decided to meet and it only took 3 days to decide :sarcasm:

Aaron Ward@aaronward_nhl

Source,Meeting involving NHL Owners and Players to take place Tuesday with 6 Owners and approximately same number of players. #TSN

the bad news:

Elliotte Friedman@FriedgeHNIC

Owners -- Burkle (PIT), Chipman (WIN), Edwards (CAL), Jacobs (BOS), Tanenbaum (TOR), Vinik (TB).

nothing is going to get done with jacobs in the room. no Snider, Dolan, Molson, Rutherford, illitch or wirtz at the meeting is pretty telling. it will just be another wasted day at the office.

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they have decided to meet and it only took 3 days to decide :sarcasm:

the bad news:

nothing is going to get done with jacobs in the room. no Snider, Dolan, Molson, Rutherford, illitch or wirtz at the meeting is pretty telling. it will just be another wasted day at the office.

Agreed.

NHLPA requested that the mediators be present, NHL rejected it. NHLPA wants "staff" member present for each side so the NHL chose Daly. McKenzie speculates the NHLPA will counter with Steve Fehr.*

So in the end you have the same friggin owners, Daly, and Steve Fehr meeting with a handful of players.

Same old crap.

Since Jacobs is going to be there the NHLPA should pick Ian White, Lupul, and any other guys who've been critical of Bettman and the league.

*per Aaron Ward and Bob McKenzie's twitter.

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Agreed.

NHLPA requested that the mediators be present, NHL rejected it. NHLPA wants "staff" member present for each side so the NHL chose Daly. McKenzie speculates the NHLPA will counter with Steve Fehr.*

So in the end you have the same friggin owners, Daly, and Steve Fehr meeting with a handful of players.

Same old crap.

Since Jacobs is going to be there the NHLPA should pick Ian White, Lupul, and any other guys who've been critical of Bettman and the league.

*per Aaron Ward and Bob McKenzie's twitter.

they should televise that lol. i wonder if the players would have the guts to tell them they're idiots to their faces.

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A couple of thoughts:

1. Five easten owners, one western. Maybe that's significant, maybe not.

2. If Bettman's forced out, does Daly get his job? Ugh.

Wonder who will take over Fehr's job when he is out. I say an Ex-player who was never more than a 3rd liner who understand the value of money better. Edited by hillbillywingsfan

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Greg Wyskynski (Puck Daddy) hits the nail on the head regarding fan frustrations with this.

...It's December. We should be talking about the Winter Classic, the looming playoff picture, who's rigging the All-Star Game voting and Brian Burke's bizarre advent calendar on when not to make a trade.

But the NHL and the NHLPA had literally stolen that dialogue from us, chaining it up like the doors of a darkened arena on game night.

In turn, they've stolen a part of our identity. I don't know anyone that still doesn't self-identify as a hockey fan. But I know many that can't say they're proud to be one at this moment.

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I sure hope Donald Fehr will be staying where he is for a long time. If so, this will cramp Uncle Gary's colon terribly.

which will only mean more anger and mistrust between the 2 sides. that equals a guaranteed lockout.

both sides need to clean house and start over when this is done.

Tuesday's CBA negotations between the NHL and NHL Players' Association won't be lacking star power, as Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby and Chicago Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews will be among the players in New York City as the talks take place.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=410857

this meeting is looking more and more like a waste of time with every passing minute.

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