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#301 haroldsnepsts

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:04 AM

Keep pressing that "I win" button until your finger falls off. It still doesn't change the fact that you are siding with a union that has little to no interest in playing hockey this season. Sure, they aren't as bad as the owners, but they don't deserve your unwaivering loyalty.


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#302 frankgrimes

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:38 AM

But they do have interest in playing hockey. Just today Datsyuk had two assists and Malkin scored a goal and added two assists.
Players just do want to play in NHL given the conditions owners are demanding.


They do have interest in playing hockey, otherwise they'd just be sitting at home and counting their tons of super cars. These guys are going to europe in order to play the sport they love endlessly. So yes I gladly sign with them instead with some billionaires who can't control themselves and an overpaid midget.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:51 AM

As happy as I am that the two sides are meeting tomorrow, I'm not sure how it's gonna work if they don't discuss core economic issues. These secondary issues seem like bargaining chips used to lessen the blow of conceding some major issue. But they're just going to ignore the massive divide on the main problem?

I guess if they make concessions on smaller stuff maybe the goodwill will start something? I want to be optimistic but really just don't get it.


I'm not overly optimistic, but if you wanted to get some optimism out of it, this could be a way of looking at it:

- they are talking......which is better than not talking
- potential (I use that word as it could go the other way too) to build momentum and goodwill
- if they agree in principal to several smaller issues, it may be easier to negotiate economics and make concessions if they then tweak something they agreed on other issues. Without agreeing on other issues, its tough to consider where there might be give and take.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:01 PM

The good news about the lockout: if it goes on long enough Canada's U20 Juniors might be one of the strongest teams they've ever had.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 01:14 PM

Well at least they agreed to resume talks MUCH sooner than they did last time. That shows at least a little willingness on both sides.

At this point, I'm just anticipating going to as many AHL games as I can. The Griffs will be here 11/2 and the Barons 11/4...they are going to kick our ass. They destroyed us in the playoffs last year without Hall, Eberle, RNH, Schultz.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:37 PM

The NHL cancelled the remainder of the preseason schedule today.

http://www.mlive.com...r_of_prese.html


The NHL today canceled the remainder of the preseason schedule, which includes the final four Detroit Red Wings exhibition games, due to the lockout.

Scrapped were Detroit's home games against Pittsburgh (Oct. 3) and Toronto (Oct. 5) and road games vs. Toronto (Oct. 6) and Washington (Oct. 7).

The league last week canceled all September preseason games.


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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:42 PM

One note on the negotiations: The two sides meeting with each other is much less important than the internal meetings of each side. Neither Fehr nor Bettman have the autonomy to decide on a compromise themselves. They probably have a certain amount of latitude but not likely so much that you could lock them in a room and guarantee an agreement. They're talking about huge sums of money, and even a small concession like 1/2% will mean around $100 million difference.

Meetings between the sides are likely just an exchange of proposals and a discussion of the rationale behind them. The real negotiations are when Fehr and Bettman take the proposals back to their respective constituency.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 03:08 PM

Imagine how poor the NHL is gonna be in non-hockey markets when their already small fanbase becomes essentially non existant.


This, this, this.

"Uncle Gary" lives for two things: cultivating patronage in hard-sell markets (e.g. Glendale), and lockouts. You know what lockouts are super-good for? Losing patronage in hard-sell markets.

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#309 BottleOfSmoke

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 05:54 PM

The NHL cancelled the remainder of the preseason schedule today.


Oh yeah? Well I'm gonna cancel the remainder of the NHL's...um...you know...yeah!!!

*sigh*

Screw everybody. I hate lockouts.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:06 PM

From TSN:

The NHL's collective bargaining talks are set to restart with a session that is likely to run through the weekend.
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#311 frankgrimes

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:20 PM

This, this, this.

"Uncle Gary" lives for two things: cultivating patronage in hard-sell markets (e.g. Glendale), and lockouts. You know what lockouts are super-good for? Losing patronage in hard-sell markets.


So funny the guy is fighting for failed markets and yet does everything to destroy whatever fanbase they have *lol*

His hard to sell markets are going to get hit real hard by this lockout. Maybe his next “brilliant“ idea will bre fanbase sharing book it.

At this point I have locked out the stupid NLL having a great time watching other good leagues.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:28 PM

All of the owners love Uncle Gary; just ask them.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:34 PM

Just get a deal done this weekend...

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:34 PM

All of the owners love Uncle Gary; just ask them.


Not true at all Illitch, Anschutz, Molson Dolan and Snider aren't exactly supporters of him.

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#315 martinezsvsu

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:22 PM

i have tickets to the wings bruins game december 10th, i dont follow the lockout negotiations as much as you guys, so what are the odds of my game getting cancelled? just your best guess plz

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:27 PM

Funny how nowhere in the stupid American sports media (espn) is this lockout even being remotely covered.

Maybe the NHL network should cover it a little, instead of mindlessly replaying last year's playoff games over and over, like they've been doing the last few years.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:32 PM

Not true at all Illitch, Anschutz, Molson Dolan and Snider aren't exactly supporters of him.

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Being as that all owners voted unanimously to lock the players out, I really don't know what to believe. The rich franchises have benefited the most in the last six years. So why would those owners vote to lock the players out if they have done so well? Teams like Detroit and Toronto are seeing good profits. Why vote to lock the players out then? It really makes no sense unless Gary was lying when he said the vote was unanimously.

I'm not overly optimistic, but if you wanted to get some optimism out of it, this could be a way of looking at it:

- they are talking......which is better than not talking
- potential (I use that word as it could go the other way too) to build momentum and goodwill
- if they agree in principal to several smaller issues, it may be easier to negotiate economics and make concessions if they then tweak something they agreed on other issues. Without agreeing on other issues, its tough to consider where there might be give and take.

This!

Any talk is better than no talk at this point. I am not optimistic either, but at least its a step in the right direction.
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#318 Buppy

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:47 PM

Being as that all owners voted unanimously to lock the players out, I really don't know what to believe. The rich franchises have benefited the most in the last six years. So why would those owners vote to lock the players out if they have done so well? Teams like Detroit and Toronto are seeing good profits. Why vote to lock the players out then?...

A big enough concession from the players would result in the owners making more money, even when factoring in the cost of the lockout. Obviously, the owners are confident they will get that concession.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:59 PM

Being as that all owners voted unanimously to lock the players out, I really don't know what to believe. The rich franchises have benefited the most in the last six years. So why would those owners vote to lock the players out if they have done so well? Teams like Detroit and Toronto are seeing good profits. Why vote to lock the players out then? It really makes no sense unless Gary was lying when he said the vote was unanimously.


This!

Any talk is better than no talk at this point. I am not optimistic either, but at least its a step in the right direction.


That's what they want you to believe. I, for one, don't believe for one minute it was "unanimous".

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:24 PM

That's what they want you to believe. I, for one, don't believe for one minute it was "unanimous".

What's the point in saying something is unanimous if it wasn't. To show tha the owner's are united and will hold strong? Well, if there are some owners that don't agree, why would they agree to pretent they do?





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