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#721 Jedi

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:14 PM

NHLPA PLEASE ACCEPT WTF WILL BE CHECKING LGW/TWITTER DURING CLASS

more possible good news?

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Also league has taken off table some of the systemic changes to player contracts which they asked for in initial July offer


That is nothing but good news. To me, that sounds like they're backing off their asinine requirements on ELC's and prevention of salary arbitration.

Fehr has called a conference call with the NHLPA's Negotiating Committee and the Executive Committee for 5PM ET.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:15 PM

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:17 PM

NHLPA conference call today at 5pm. Will we have a response by then, yes?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:18 PM

That is nothing but good news. To me, that sounds like they're backing off their asinine requirements on ELC's and prevention of salary arbitration.

Fehr has called a conference call with the NHLPA's Negotiating Committee and the Executive Committee for 5PM ET.

Fehr says league offer "at least six years."
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:21 PM

"Uncle Gary blinks; story at eleven".

I wonder how much this focus group that we're hearing about is influencing the process... People may say that the PR war is inconsequential, but getting the kind of feedback that a quality focus group gives certainly can cause a side to move more than they normally would. IMO, we're seeing signs of that with today's proposal.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:23 PM

This is great news today. Even if the PA doesn't accept this offer, it's a move far in the right direction.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:25 PM

That is nothing but good news. To me, that sounds like they're backing off their asinine requirements on ELC's and prevention of salary arbitration.

Fehr has called a conference call with the NHLPA's Negotiating Committee and the Executive Committee for 5PM ET.

Hopefully.

It depends on what they're doing to HRR at the same time but this sounds like a very realistic offer from the NHL. Finally.

Details are sketchy but Dreger and McKenzie are making it sound like the players full contracts will be honored, it's just going to be paid out over longer time. Without that sort of protection by McKenzie's figuring the NHLPA is going to have to swallow an 11% decrease in salary.

And as you mention, hopefully the NHL has moved off its idiotic contract demands as well.


This sounds very promising.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:25 PM

This is really exciting but I've learned that if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
I think this is a huge step forward in negotiations and I REAAALLY want this to end the lockout but until we get more details I'm not getting my hopes too high. Did the proposal say how HRR will be defined?

 
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:26 PM

the NHLPA has 9 days to sign and finalize CBA in order to have an 82 game season

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:27 PM

ACCEPT THE DAMN OFFER. buncha fools. If Fehr steers them off this offer, they're done. and I might grind my Howard Jersey in a woodchipper in disgust.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:28 PM

the NHLPA has 9 days to sign and finalize CBA in order to have an 82 game season

Which probably means we're not going to hear "We'll take it!" for several days.

I'm guessing there's going to be a ton of number crunching and lawyering the details.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:30 PM

Hopefully.

It depends on what they're doing to HRR at the same time but this sounds like a very realistic offer from the NHL. Finally.

Details are sketchy but Dreger and McKenzie are making it sound like the players full contracts will be honored, it's just going to be paid out over longer time. Without that sort of protection by McKenzie's figuring the NHLPA is going to have to swallow an 11% decrease in salary.

And as you mention, hopefully the NHL has moved off its idiotic contract demands as well.


This sounds very promising.

Let's just hope Fehr and all the players big heads don't balk at this one and think they can get even more out of the owners.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:33 PM

Let's just hope Fehr and all the players big heads don't balk at this one and think they can get even more out of the owners.

Agreed.

I think this is the first time we'll really get a sense for Fehr's intentions, because it's the first decent offer from the league.

There's a lot of details to be worked out but if there truly is salary protection for players and the NHL backed off it's contract demands, we should be watching hockey very soon.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:33 PM

Hopefully.

It depends on what they're doing to HRR at the same time but this sounds like a very realistic offer from the NHL. Finally.

Details are sketchy but Dreger and McKenzie are making it sound like the players full contracts will be honored, it's just going to be paid out over longer time. Without that sort of protection by McKenzie's figuring the NHLPA is going to have to swallow an 11% decrease in salary.

And as you mention, hopefully the NHL has moved off its idiotic contract demands as well.


This sounds very promising.


Bettman added that the offer calls for no salary rollback and the revised schedule - if implemented - would see every team play an extra game every five weeks.
NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr said the offer - which is at least six years in length - is an "excellent start" and he would go over it with his membership in a 5pm et conference call.


This is really exciting but I've learned that if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
I think this is a huge step forward in negotiations and I REAAALLY want this to end the lockout but until we get more details I'm not getting my hopes too high. Did the proposal say how HRR will be defined?


I have not seen anything about HRR but in the NHL's last proposal they had HRR definitions stay the same, so who knows it is quite possible they did the same here.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:36 PM

I am pleasantly surprised. At least something positive may come out of this horrible horrible day for me.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:44 PM

I don't see how just one extra game every 5 weeks would be enough to get to 82, if the end date is the same. That amounts to maybe 4-5 extra games, but the Wings for example played (or were supposed to play) 9 games in October.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

John Shannon of Sportsnet had a few more details. (I got this from Puck Daddy's summary, for the record).

• Entry level contract maximums will go from three years to four years; i.e. every star rookie will be locked into a 4-year contract before their payday.

• The cap on long-term contracts will be five years. No more lifetime, cap-circumventing deals; no more securing your investments for a decade. But hey, at least the free-agent frenzy will be fun again.

• "Revenue sharing would be at or near 200 million dollars." Closer to what the NHLPA desired, and presumably expanded to teams like the Devils and Ducks.

• Free agency would "be at 28 years old and 8 years of NHL service."


IMO, each of these plans are reasonable. MUCH more so than the original proposal from the league, at least...

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:50 PM

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PLEASE ACCEPT. I AM AT WORK AND MY HEART IS RACING THINKING ABOUT THIS ALL LMAO.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:54 PM

Soooooo, what Bill Daly has been trying to force feed "the fans" all along has been:


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:00 PM

I don't see how just one extra game every 5 weeks would be enough to get to 82, if the end date is the same. That amounts to maybe 4-5 extra games, but the Wings for example played (or were supposed to play) 9 games in October.


Cut out the all star weekend and there is 4-5 more days where teams can play 2 to 3 games.





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