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#1281 Namtaru

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:04 PM

Well, opinions can change. Having said that, I don't know what makes people more confident now that there will be games as opposed to two weeks ago. If anything, those are backwards from what I would expect.


My thought exactly

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:32 PM

I didn't know the ramifications were, regarding players getting injured in non-NHL games, until I read this.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:33 PM

Boycott spending money on the NHL until Bettman is fired, if you don't you deserve what you got comin

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:43 PM

Boycott spending money on the NHL.

Fixed it for you.

The NHL or players don't deserve the fans at this stage. I am not spending any money on the NHL for a long time. The only money that the NHL is going to get from me will be the money they get from the cable subsidity.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:51 PM

~$ stuff...

Just to note, the "profit" numbers being used here are actually operating income. Before taxes, interest, depreciation, and amortization. None of us really have any idea what the real profits are. The average team is carrying about $100M in debt, which could certainly eat up that operating income. However, we don't know the real details. Regardless, the revenue disparity is still the biggest problem.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:41 PM

http://espn.go.com/b...-winter-classic

If I’m a fan today, I’m angry that the league and NHLPA haven’t been able to resolve their differences in labor talks. It’s an absolute disgrace that the lockout even had to last into November, never mind the possibility it may go even longer than that.

It should not have been that hard to figure out how to divvy up the revenue pie. And for that, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr deserve all the criticism they’re getting from fans.

But it’s my opinion that when it comes to Friday’s cancellation of the Winter Classic, it was the right move, and the only move.

This season is going to be a sham either way. Let’s not denigrate the Winter Classic with it.


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:50 PM

that's a great article by lebrun.

hopefully illitch makes it to next year to see it. by the looks of him he might not.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 03:20 PM

that's a great article by lebrun.

hopefully illitch makes it to next year to see it. by the looks of him he might not.


I have had the same feeling. That picture of him on the field at Comerica, he didn't look good.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

that's a great article by lebrun.

hopefully illitch makes it to next year to see it. by the looks of him he might not.


This is my fear as well. What a horrible day for the city of Detroit that will be. Hang in there Mr. I!

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 04:41 PM

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:20 PM

Per Dreger's twitter:

As we just discussed on Sportscentre. NHL advised PA it will absorb share of Make Whole provision. This is a considerable concession.


If this turns out to be true (both that the NHL actually said it would do this and that the math supports their claim), then they better be able to knock out a friggin deal very very soon.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:26 PM

Per Dreger's twitter:



If this turns out to be true (both that the NHL actually said it would do this and that the math supports their claim), then they better be able to knock out a friggin deal very very soon.

How ironic would it be if a deal came a day too late to save the WC?

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:37 PM

Per Dreger's twitter:



If this turns out to be true (both that the NHL actually said it would do this and that the math supports their claim), then they better be able to knock out a friggin deal very very soon.


at the very least it should be able to get each side back to the bargaining table

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:56 PM

2 sides are expected to meet no later than early next week

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408711

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 06:13 PM

what????

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The NHL's verbal offer to absorb some or all of Make Whole was made Tuesday. 3 days ago?? PA wants more detail before getting too excited.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 06:24 PM

At this point, I am not concerned when it was proposed. It was verbal, but you have to wonder if Fehr had his fingers in his ears and was posturing for he last week. Either that or the NHL is spreading lies. So lets make that a push.

Lets hope this results in a deal by thanksgiving.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 06:38 PM

what????

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The NHL's verbal offer to absorb some or all of Make Whole was made Tuesday. 3 days ago?? PA wants more detail before getting too excited.

After the "50/50" deal the NHL proposed, I'm not surprised. Considering where both sides are at the moment, they're certainly not going to take anything on faith.

It all comes down to if the math (and legalese) is in line with what they're claiming.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:38 PM

After the "50/50" deal the NHL proposed, I'm not surprised. Considering where both sides are at the moment, they're certainly not going to take anything on faith.

It all comes down to if the math (and legalese) is in line with what they're claiming.


Another PR move and I am sure some of the ,,I only read the headline - because my attention span is that small" guys will pretty much fall in love with those greedy bastards again. Fehr is right, let's see the numbers first and how they are trying to tweak it again...

Either start serious negotiations or keep your mouth shut, I am sick of this PR back and forth moves.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:42 PM

Another PR move and I am sure some of the ,,I only read the headline - because my attention span is that small" guys will pretty much fall in love with those greedy bastards again. Fehr is right, let's see the numbers first and how they are trying to tweak it again...


that's exactly what fehr did with that 3rd proposal. i don't recall you blasting fehr for that

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:35 PM

S Fehr and Daly to meet tomorrow at undisclosed location

Just to note, the "profit" numbers being used here are actually operating income. Before taxes, interest, depreciation, and amortization. None of us really have any idea what the real profits are. The average team is carrying about $100M in debt, which could certainly eat up that operating income. However, we don't know the real details. Regardless, the revenue disparity is still the biggest problem.

I don't see how that can be true ($5-6M on average per team that is). Last year the owners' share of revenues after paying the players was about $52M per team. I know it costs approximately $30M to run a team before player salaries, so I'm not sure where that other $15M or so goes.





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